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Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by asddubs »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #79
make_me_rich wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ohh I miss the good old days of forums in general. I find all this new software, where conversions* are "threaded" stupidly hard to read. Even worse, when the software is trying to recommend to you, what to read. Back in the day you had a thread, every post to that thread was chronologically added to that thread and in case you wanted to reply to someone, you quoted them... sigh EDITED: *conversations

I find HN's approach very easy to read and follow. But then, each submission does not keep getting commented on indefinitely. Could get unwieldy then.

it works if you want to read a thread exactly once and then never come back to it. if it's an ongoing discussion that you want to visit even just two times, you'll just end up reading all the same comments again and struggle to find anything new

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by asddubs »

halikular wrote: post #49
ngrilly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also prefer reading threaded discussions, but are you aware of a good way of keeping track of new messages? That’s my main issue with threaded discussions, for example here on HN.

Notifications and sorting for new like reddit has.

that only really works for responses to your comments and top level comment chains though.

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by moffkalast »

tiffanyh wrote: post #2

I commend you for hand rolling it all and not using JS. I miss the days of good ole forum software (e.g. FluxBB/PunBB) before it was superseded with massive JS bloat/clunky forum software like Discourse, Flarum, etc.

I do still wonder why the fast and responsive software can't invest a little bit into design in order to not look like complete shit.

Sure something like phpBB is light, but the UX is also barely usable. Give me something like Reddit or Discourse over that any day. Why can't we have the best of both worlds?

Hackernews on the other hand manages to lack both (in some speculations intentionally), with neither usable design nor speed.

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by softfalcon »

Aperocky wrote: post #83

May I recommend an ORM for any such project? hand rolling SQL statement aren't going to scale. Here's my shameless plug: `pip install sqlitedao`: https://github.com/Aperocky/sqlitedao

Not trying to bash your ORM as it could have a great translation layer to make optimal queries.

my experience optimizing SQL has been removing the ORM layer via hand rolling SQL queries.

Most of my peers also seem to agree that ORM is great for knocking a feature out, but you’ll inevitably run into performance concerns at scale and need to write your own optimized queries yourself.

I feel like with SQLite having limited resources, you’d likely want to optimize your queries as best you can without an ORM? Is that not the case?

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by alxlaz »

moffkalast wrote: post #85
tiffanyh wrote: post #2

I commend you for hand rolling it all and not using JS. I miss the days of good ole forum software (e.g. FluxBB/PunBB) before it was superseded with massive JS bloat/clunky forum software like Discourse, Flarum, etc.

I do still wonder why the fast and responsive software can't invest a little bit into design in order to not look like complete shit. Sure something like phpBB is light, but the UX is also barely usable. Give me something like Reddit or Discourse over that any day. Why can't we have the best of both worlds? Hackernews on the other hand manages to lack both (in some speculations intentionally), with neither usable des…

There is a considerable cultural overlap between "people who think no-JS, fast and responsive software is cool" and "people who think the design of Reddit or Discourse is really awful". (Man, especially Reddit, I swear the day they retire old.reddit.com will be the day I stop using it). They probably are investing a little bit into design, just not the one you like.

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by diab0lic »

skilled wrote: post #77
snek_case wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people hate endless scrolling so much?

And you love it, so much ? It's probably the stupidest thing ever invented as far as UX goes.

It is possible the gp post just feels neutral about it. There are a whole range of emotions between love and hate.

Re: Show HN: Minimal, no-JS web forum software

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Post by bmacho »

ratww wrote: post #67
bmacho wrote: post #11

Teddit works like a charm with disabled javascript, it supports css based thread collapsing, and cookie based information for logged out users as well (you can store which subreddits you follow).

> it supports css based thread collapsing I didn't knew but I love it... I wish more developers took interest in such things.

.. actually it uses the summary/details html tags, but the same thing is totally doable with css checkboxes and visibility too.
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