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Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by rob74 »

axg11 wrote: post #62
jenny91 wrote: post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

I think the basis of your comment is incorrect. Employees have never had more freedom. Work from home is now widespread. Working hours are more flexible than ever. Workplace benefits have improved drastically over the last 10 years. Percentage of workers with access to maternity/paternity leave is increasing year-over-year. > There has been an erosion and change in the nature of an employee-employer relationship. Thi…

> Work from home is now widespread.

But for how long, I ask? There is now a pretty strong tendency to get people back to the office. It may seem like trying to turn back the clock, or put the genie back into the bottle, but in these times of economic downturn, I guess they figure they have a chance of succeeding...

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Post by xrd »

Can someone please explain to me how you work 200%?

Does this mean that a person claiming this worked 16 hours days, and then in order to eat, skipped two hours of sleep time, so typically would only get 6 hours of sleep, and no other time off during the week?

Or, that they decided not to see children (who need 10-12 hours of sleep a day, so that would clearly make it impossible to see them if you are not occupied by work except for 8 hours a day, presumably at night), except on the weekends?

And, that they didn't write blogs back then? It takes me two or three hours of total time, and I've never had a job that paid me to write in my personal spaces, so I cannot figure out how I would have done that kind of work. Maybe the kids are optimizing by using Snapchat which takes much less time?

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Post by workerthrow632 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #61

I wonder if there's any interplay here with the "radically flat" organizations of our generation, especially in tech. For better or worse, when I first started out, and the first 2 companies I worked, there were something like 10-15 layers from me to the CEO. This created a hypothetical ladder of responsibilities and titles I felt I could climb, with rungs 3-5 years apart, getting wider the higher you go. In more rec…

> A lot of these radically flat orgs expect ICs as "senior engineers" or "staff engineers" or some other made up title to do some ad-hoc mix of IC, people management, project management, etc.

Then they fire someone randomly and wonder why the company fell apart because that random was doing the bulk of the unappreciated 'glue' work but because their manager never recognized them for that work or bothered to promote them, no one knew besides their co-workers

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Post by avgcorrection »

> This concept is illustrated by a video that has gone viral on social media. “You are still performing your duties but you’re no longer subscribing to the hustle culture mentality that work has to be your life,” the young man in the video says.

They really needed a word to describe having a rational (as in rational self-interest) attitude towards work.

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Post by some_random »

neogodless wrote: post #3

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

It's absolutely being used loosely, people arguing against it are usually talking about doing the absolute bare minimum and people arguing for it are usually talking about working as expected without going above and beyond. It's very frustrating to watch and a pattern that occurs quite frequently

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Post by workerthrow632 »

matmatmatmat wrote: post #26

It's interesting to see this from CERN, which is essentially an institution that enables young people to work unlimited hours for next to no pay and virtually no chance of ever attaining significant recognition of their work. In my brief time there, it was not uncommon to hear stories of people who had moved there and not even unpacked all of their belongings after a year or more. On the plus side, if you love partic…

> not even unpacked all of their belongings after a year or more.

I stopped having any personal effects at work. Purely mercenary.

It makes it easier when I get walked out when the C-Suite decides they need higher bonuses.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

> From the Ombud’s watch post, I confirm that giving fair recognition and appreciation

Interesting that compensation is not included in this list.

I imagine cern pays pretty well, however I’ve seen HR at many companies try stuff that either literally or figuratively amounts to a pizza party, while trying to not give raises.

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Post by JackFr »

LunarCamper wrote: post #17

If you feel the urge to quiet quit, you're either at the wrong company, or worse, in the wrong profession.

You are not your job.

If, in addition to a living, your job provides you with meaning, identity and self-worth, bully for you, but you’re the rare one.

There is no shame in treating a job, well, like a job.

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Post by workerthrow632 »

xrd wrote: post #72

Can someone please explain to me how you work 200%? Does this mean that a person claiming this worked 16 hours days, and then in order to eat, skipped two hours of sleep time, so typically would only get 6 hours of sleep, and no other time off during the week? Or, that they decided not to see children (who need 10-12 hours of sleep a day, so that would clearly make it impossible to see them if you are not occupied by…

> Can someone please explain to me how you work 200%?

Come in early, skip lunch, dinner at your desk, take your computer home, work while watching Netflix, take your computer to bed, sleep with it next to you.

I did this for a year.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by commandlinefan »

jenny91 wrote: post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

> Back in the day

Well, this isn't that new, either - this was the plot of the 1999 movie "Office Space".

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