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Quiet Quitting

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Re: Quiet Quitting

#11

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

I agree that your definition would be more intuitive, but I think that ship has sailed. It seems to be almost universally used to mean "performing the required duties of your role, and no more"

I think it's an indication of a totally dysfunctional work culture that "not doing extra" can be synonymous with "not working at all"

The fact that the author claims to have given "200% of [their] energy" to their job "throughout their career" is, to me, depressing rather than admirable

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#12

One of the quotes from younger people is "I realise the things I’m doing are above my pay grade" – "above my pay grade" is definitely not a term invented by the youth. Nothing being attributed to young people here is new. If the author can't see that, and thinks this attitude wasn't present in the Boomer generation, then they themselves aren't putting in the necessary reflective work.

Feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong but I always interpreted "above my pay grade" as lacking the authority to make certain decisions.

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There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship.

Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when they had to take care of their kid), and they probably had much better implicit labor protections: in the event of economic downturns, the company was much more accommodating and tried its best to take care of the employee. In other words, the employer was trusted and the employee was trusted to "take care of each other". The job was "for life", after all.

Fast forward to these days: companies have stripped away a lot of the care they took for employees; in the event of economic issues, big corps will fire people basically at random. Most employees are monitored to the minute, and leeway from the employer is unheard of in most situations. All of this "taking care of your employees when things go awry" is expensive (like insurance) and employers have tightened their belts.

It's not surprising then that the employer also starts looking for ways of not doing more than they are contractually obliged to do.

It is mostly about the erosion of trust both ways.

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Boomers look surprised, and I think they fail to see the reality of current times. Decades ago, an university teacher, could afford to buy a home for his family , not too far from where he/she/* worked. Nowadays, even with FAANG salaries you can't buy a decent size home for your family even in a "30 minutes drive" radio from where your offices are. Imagine other professions who are not paid as much. People see through the "hustle mentality" grindset, usually only the ones telling you to hustle and grind are the ones making the big bucks. I understand there are outliers , people who did hustle and became very wealthy, but the problem I see is, the older generation fails to see the evident changes in the social and economical landscape that push their people towards this type of attitude towards work.

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There have been generational changes which may explain the different attitudes. I am an older millenial, and was brought up on the idea of putting in extra to learn and develop my career. I followed the leads of my boomer seniors.

But I don't get the benefits they did. For my line of work (not IT), I work harder, I am paid less, I pay more on my mortgage, I live in smaller, less salubrious places than they do, I will get a smaller pension, I need my wife to continue working to pay for everything. My children will have less opportunities, their university education won't be funded.

I think my specific generation were the suckers, and I can't, hand-on-heart, tell the Gen Z juniors that if they just work their arses off, they will be given some career with these kind of rewards.

Yet another aspect is that the boomers were largely male, with wives and kids who hardly saw them. This is far less tolerable these days. For every keen junior who committed 200%, there was an unhappy partner doing all the housework and bringing up the kids.

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It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

A term getting around at the moment is "Acting your Wage" which I like a lot better. Employers shouldn't be surprised when people do what they're paid to do.

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> I also shared with them my view that going “above and beyond your work” was the only way to continue learning and developing in the workplace and that it would pay off eventually … but I realised that I did not convince them at all.

I totally love my job. But sometimes I wonder if I would love something else even more. I make tons of money but unfortunately I spend tons of money. If I did like those FIRE folks do, maybe I could take years off of work and try something totally new and different - thru-hike the AT or PCT or take a crazy long boat trip or just code on fun projects at home.

Keynes said we'd be working 15-hour work weeks [1]. Sounds like some of this younger generation might just embrace it? I'm too chicken to try the stuff I list above.

[1] http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

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>>> Loss of purpose, lack of fair recognition and the need to preserve work–life balance seem to be the main motives of the younger generations for quiet quitting.

Work-life balance and over-and-beyond are opposites. You can get one or the other. Lack of fair recognition for going over and beyond is a thing. I would say recognition should have a significant monetary component to compensate for loss of work-life balance.

Loss of purpose is dual edged. A lot of times there is a part where you have to experiment and throw away certain implementations. People go “above-and-beyond” in some of these situations and end up with nothing to show for their effort. It can get very demoralizing. In that, maybe failed experiments need to be recognized as well as successful ones if sincere effort has been put in.

Either way a successful upward trending career and work-life balance are at odds with one another. It’s for individuals to make the choice. Not giving 200% isn’t quiet quitting. Not giving 100% is.

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#20

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_to_rule
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