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Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Ive been a huge fan of betterworldbooks since discovering it for university textbooks over a decade ago. They have a pretty massive selection and the money goes to some respectable causes.

I'm sure BWB is fine. Anyway, you are also allowed to pay less at a different seller, and donate the savings to causes you respect. "Bundling" commerce and charity opens the door to risk of abuse.

In some sense, overpaying a local bookstore for a book you came searching for because you like the fact they do unrelated events and activities is a form of charity coupled with commerce.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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(Sorry for sounding like a stuck record but) This site appears to use affiliate links/cookies/Google Analytics, so is surely collecting personal data in the GDPR sense? If so, why is there no opt-in/opt-out screen? The whole "ask for forgiveness not permission" thing is getting pretty old, why is it still apparently OK to build a shiny thing, make it live, and then think about compliance with the law?

The site actually doesn't use cookies internally only session and local storage to hold variables through visits. I'm not based in Europe so I'm not entirely familiar with GDPR and how it relates to affiliate linking and google analytics. Thanks for pointing this out, I'll be sure to do some research and fix up the site to accommodate it.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Is "cheapest" the right objective? Because if that's the case, book piracy seems like the clear winner. But maybe we should consider "cheapest with some boundaries". For instance, we probably agree that bookstores are nice for a myriad of reasons, even if we don't frequent them. They employ people in the area, they offer curation and recommendations, they invite speakers and host events, and they help local authors g…

>Because if that's the case, book piracy seems like the clear winner. You can read lots of books for free legally in the Internet Archive, specially books that are out of print. > Curation costs money (indirectly). This is mostly done by (big) publishers who want to push their shallow literature series and a couple of good books here and there. Which, again, makes places like the IA so much better for readers like me…

I see a lot of "staff recommends" on bookshelves when I shop local, with little blurbs about why the book has had an impact.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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post #232

(Sorry for sounding like a stuck record but) This site appears to use affiliate links/cookies/Google Analytics, so is surely collecting personal data in the GDPR sense? If so, why is there no opt-in/opt-out screen? The whole "ask for forgiveness not permission" thing is getting pretty old, why is it still apparently OK to build a shiny thing, make it live, and then think about compliance with the law?

The site actually doesn't use cookies internally only session and local storage to hold variables through visits. I'm not based in Europe so I'm not entirely familiar with GDPR and how it relates to affiliate linking and google analytics. Thanks for pointing this out, I'll be sure to do some research and fix up the site to accommodate it.

I'm never holding PII at all except when you sign up to email updates

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Is "cheapest" the right objective? Because if that's the case, book piracy seems like the clear winner. But maybe we should consider "cheapest with some boundaries". For instance, we probably agree that bookstores are nice for a myriad of reasons, even if we don't frequent them. They employ people in the area, they offer curation and recommendations, they invite speakers and host events, and they help local authors g…

You think someone shouldn't use the word "cheapest" because they aren't factoring in piracy? Do you think stores that price match should sell an item for $0 if someone shows they can shoplift it?

The whole idea is absurd, why would you make a comment like this?

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Its sad I've looked up old books on Amazon and come to discover via the reviews that there are counterfeit e-books on their platform. I would of thought that if I wanted an e-book of all places to look Amazon would be a pretty safe bet. I never did find the book I wanted on there. This is why I've sort of sought other alternatives. I enjoy my Kindle for reading when my iPad is just too much (laying in bed at night fo…

I don't have ebooks on the platform quite yet but I should have them running before the end of next week, alongside the "No Amazon" filter that will ignore Amazon and any subsidiaries from searches.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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I want a book, I can choose to buy from a local shop or Amazon or print on demand shop selling a pirated copy. Those options are listed most expensive to cheapest. But a portion of the the sale goes to that business, who in turn passes it on to various places. The local bookshop uses the money to keep an asset in my local community and employs people in my local community. Amazon ships from a warehouse, and provides…

You’re conflating cheap with copyright violation, which is a bit disingenuous in an attempt I guess to guilt people for wanting to buy a cheap book. It’s fine to want a cheap book, want to support the publisher/author with a legit purchase, and not care about supporting a bookstore. Not everyone who likes books cares to keep alive the industry of physical books and bookstores.

I'm not trying to guilt anyone. Some folks need to optimize for cheap.

What I'm trying to say is that cheap might not be the best general metric, and laying out reasoning behind that.

I try to avoid saying that someone is bad for choosing cheap, and if I did earlier, I apologize. The goal is to say, "here are some conditions to consider when making a decision".

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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I have a question. How do you get the catalogue of books? Have you had to scrape a whole bunch of book stores, or do you make a ton of api calls? Do you store all the catalogues on your server, or are you calling a search on each of these sites live?

It's both scraping book stores and calling APIs, I do not currently index anything and do all searches live. I'm working on building in caching and eventually indexing to make everything more efficient, but since the async live searches take roughly 4-7 seconds it's not too bad at the moment.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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You can think of it as analogous to booking a flight. Do you want the cheapest flight with a 16 hour flight and 2 transfers with Ryanair? A lot of people don't mind paying a bit more for a direct flight and a complimentary chocolate (lot, swiss air), even if all are legal. Some websites even included an option to check as "worry-free" or similar to filter out these cheap options. Book equivalents could be quality of…

>quality of paper you are extremely unlikely to find this as book metadata

I ordered books under the public domain on Amazon. At least 50% were printed on the cheapest paper and on Demand. Some were printed from scans were part of the text is missing and looked like photocopies.

Just because the book is in the public domain does not mean I want a book that looks like a fanzine.

Maybe it does not scale, I agree. This is why a curator is IMO important.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Yes it takes shipping into account but it's only optimized for USA users at the moment, if you're anywhere else your results might not be entirely accurate. I'm planning on adding support for more regions over the next couple of weeks.

Yes, I searched a book, saw $14 as the price (“Ouh, that is cheap”), then clicked through to see $14+$26 shipping to Canada :/

Sorry about that. I'll be improving support for Canada before the end of the week.
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