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Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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As a German I don't have to worry too much about the prices of books. We have Buchpreisbindung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchpreisbindung

That's a great system that you have in Germany! Does it apply to used books also?

It doesn't, only for new books. Used or damaged books as well as clearance sales for example aren't part of this.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Is "cheapest" the right objective? Because if that's the case, book piracy seems like the clear winner. But maybe we should consider "cheapest with some boundaries". For instance, we probably agree that bookstores are nice for a myriad of reasons, even if we don't frequent them. They employ people in the area, they offer curation and recommendations, they invite speakers and host events, and they help local authors g…

I think we have to consider why books exist. There are many reasons such as disseminating knowledge, broadening perspectives, entertainment, but I would think one of them wouldn't be "to let people have a nice job in a shop".

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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As a German I don't have to worry too much about the prices of books. We have Buchpreisbindung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchpreisbindung

Thanks for sharing, reminds me of another old revered law in Germany, the Reinheitsgebot. Buchpreisbindung was introduced in 1888 and according to the Wikipedia article it fails to deliver cheaper books and even indirectly subsidize large bookstores like Amazon.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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As a German I don't have to worry too much about the prices of books. We have Buchpreisbindung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchpreisbindung

One of the reasons why I routinely check used books first to get around that high price guarantee.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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post #134

Could you put the name of the shop on each search result? That way people can better pick their shop of choice (and avoid the ones they do not want to buy from).

Great idea. I'll implement that for sure. Another thing I'm working on is a "No Amazon" filter that just skips Amazon and any Amazon subsidiaries from the results

The no-Amazon thing is maybe a little complicated. Many 'independent' book dealers have deals with Amazon, for example to use Amazon's shipping, inventory, or print on demand infrastructure, to sell through Amazon either exclusively or non-exclusively, or to be a channel through which Amazon routes divests books returned to Amazon. Those deals with Amazon make Amazon money and make Amazon more powerful, because Amazon can impose anti-competitive terms on the potential competitors who make such deals with them. The California attorney general recently announced a suit to try to stop these anti-competitive b2b deals by Amazon, but it is very hard to constrain such Goliaths. I would rather exclude every seller who has any business relationship with Amazon from my book search results, but there is no way to know who does or doesn't, as there is no required disclosure of such things, and lawyers are good at hiding them.

The market for inexpensive copies of books in the US is a complete mess, particularly wrt used books. If you look on-line, you can find lots and lots of used books for sale from book dealers. Many are priced way above what they cost new or what a similar new book would sell for today. Many books recently released are available in used condition at prices well above what the same books are still selling for new -- ie the original publisher's list price -- why is that? Even stranger, if you have used books that you have read and want to sell, you will have a very hard time finding any book dealers who want to buy them. Most used book dealers don't buy used books from people who buy and read books. A few will, but they are very selective and almost all of them offer only in-store credit, not money. But they all have lots of used books listed for sale at $20 to $100 or more plus shipping. Where do they get their books? Are books that we donate to thrift shops and library book sales getting recycled through the book dealers at such high prices? It looks like that may be what's going on.

I know that these dealers have expenses, and many of them may not even be very profitable, but modern automation and materials handling machines are amazing and are supposed to allow very efficient management of inventories and sales, and that's not what we've got. If the typical used book was listed like on the OTC stock market, the bid price would be around 25 cents and the ask price would be around 50 dollars. Market failure. What's it take to fix it?

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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I wish there were an easy way to look up which charity shops in my area have a copy of a particular book and how much it costs. A lot of them already keep track of who donated each book to them if the donor has made the appropriate declaration for gift aid so they are already tracking individual books. All it needs is a bit of organisation, perhaps, to put all the data in one place.

I don't think they'd have a reason not to use such a system if it existed. In a few cases they might be forced to lower prices or fail to sell a particular book but I would guess it would be a net gain for everyone.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Is "cheapest" the right objective? Because if that's the case, book piracy seems like the clear winner. But maybe we should consider "cheapest with some boundaries". For instance, we probably agree that bookstores are nice for a myriad of reasons, even if we don't frequent them. They employ people in the area, they offer curation and recommendations, they invite speakers and host events, and they help local authors g…

I think we have to consider why books exist. There are many reasons such as disseminating knowledge, broadening perspectives, entertainment, but I would think one of them wouldn't be "to let people have a nice job in a shop".

Certainly, but also in terms of disseminating knowledge, broadening perspectives, and entertainment, if people are able to access cheaper books more easily, it will allow them to gain more of all of these things.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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Nice! But does it account for shipping costs? When ordering from overseas, sometimes shipping costs can be more than the price of the book.

Considering your site doesn't ask for my location, I assume it doesn't account for that. Might be a nice feature to add.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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As a German I don't have to worry too much about the prices of books. We have Buchpreisbindung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchpreisbindung

Exactly, the cheapest and fastest way to get a book in Germany is most likely your neighborhood book store on the way back from work. (And if they don't have the book in store, they can order it for the next day.)

The local bookstore can even do same day delivery.

Re: Show HN: I built a site that finds the cheapest place to buy a book

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post #158

Nice! But does it account for shipping costs? When ordering from overseas, sometimes shipping costs can be more than the price of the book. Considering your site doesn't ask for my location, I assume it doesn't account for that. Might be a nice feature to add.

I do grab your country from your IP address on your arrival on the site. However, the site is currently only optimized for US visitors. So the pricing and delivery time is only fully accurate if you're in the US. I'm working on adding support for more regions and should have several more regions ready within the next couple of weeks.
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