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MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Expanse is one of the TV series that I was thinking of actually when I wrote that comment. It'd be too long to write down here but I feel like while The Expanse got many things right it also portrayed all sorts of fundamental things that were completely off. For example even in the first season things that are fundamentally off that result in very different futures: * The idea that we would actively intentionally…

Utopia makes for very boring television. Dystopian megacorporations make the future interesting to watch. There's a reason why there's a Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting time."

> Utopia makes for very boring television.

The original Channel 4 version was brilliant (although the subject matter didn't age well, or maybe aged a bit too well). Didn't see the US remake but heard it was a dud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJnN3WMwDsk

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This reminds me of how people get angry at me whenever I poke holes in the science of movies. Movies affect people's ideas of what is possible and what is impossible. This is why I'm also quite against, in the general case, post-apocalyptic movies that predict a future based on non-science impossible things happening. Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a…

There's a 4chan post somewhere with a hypothesis about how people are subconsciously unable to discern between fiction and reality, even though they might be able to consciously, just as you describe.

Are people surprised by this? The vast (super?) majority of people on this planet seem to consciously claim to know or believe in supernatural things they cannot possibly know and that there is absolutely no evidence for. People appear to be extraordinarily bad at distinguishing between reality and their hopes and dreams.

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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Maybe this has always been obvious to everybody but the American justice system is not about truth or fairness.

The goal is to convict no matter what. That is how the incentives are lined up.

Case in point: the (famous) Serial podcast started about the (now evidently) wrongful conviction of a teenager. He was recently released after 20+ years because of a note found written by a prosecutor that pointed to other plausible suspects, information never shared with the defence.

You are very unlikely to ever be judged by a jury of your peers. You are much more likely to not 'risk' that and take the plea deal. From the perspective of a European (and we have our issues) it sounds the system is fundamentally rotten.

The mythbuster story only highlight how basic truth finding isn't really an issue.

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Expanse is one of the TV series that I was thinking of actually when I wrote that comment. It'd be too long to write down here but I feel like while The Expanse got many things right it also portrayed all sorts of fundamental things that were completely off. For example even in the first season things that are fundamentally off that result in very different futures: * The idea that we would actively intentionally…

Utopia makes for very boring television. Dystopian megacorporations make the future interesting to watch. There's a reason why there's a Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting time."

Dystopia is just as lacking in creativity as Utopia. You can have very interesting things happening even when overall society is getting better. For example: A TV series showing civilization winning against some form of evil is plenty interesting and has been done many times, despite it not being dystopian. Right now it's become "popular" to have things go badly or to have a set standard start of things going badly. This is a mental disease of movie writers in the modern era.

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> Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a false impression that the future will be worse than the past I think The Expanse got it right, in that we're more likely in the near to medium term to get a bunch of oligarch type Jules-Pierre Maos (Hi Bezos!) running things behind the scenes. Not a utopia type technology + spaceflight + social inequity problems solv…

The Expanse is one of the TV series that I was thinking of actually when I wrote that comment. It'd be too long to write down here but I feel like while The Expanse got many things right it also portrayed all sorts of fundamental things that were completely off. For example even in the first season things that are fundamentally off that result in very different futures: * The idea that we would actively intentionally…

It is possible that I am biased, because I watched Expanse and ( apart from being annoyed by how it quickly it became a relationship show ) I absolutely bought into the premise including the points you listed:

* The idea that we would actively intentionally re-create the situation of MAD in another context. MAD was an accident of historical happenstance and now that we know about it, we wouldn't try to re-create it.

If there is one thing that best predicts how individual human will behave, it is how they have behaved in the past. It is sad, but that is the reality. Similarly, as a species, once we know, a certain set of actions are an option, there will be people who will aim for that set of actions. If a creation of blackholes becomes possible, you can rest assured, MAD will almost instantly will be recreated throughout the known human biome. I personally think you give humanity way too much credit than it deserves.

* The idea that a magical new engine would suddenly appear that made many of the things in the tv series possible.

Hmm, not exactly magically, but most of recent technological wonders sped up developments in other areas significantly to the point, where ( naturally with exception of fusion which is always 20 years away ) we sometimes see developments in ways that could not be imagined before ( Operation Warp speed and resulting vaccine come to mind ) save for science fiction's like Rainbow's End, where a line between development and production is.. ridiculously short. I think in the span of human existence, suddenly likely needs to be limited by definition somehow.

* The idea that Earth will for some reason simultaneously become a massive welfare state, yet still somehow have solar-system spanning power.

I don't want to be that guy, but not to search very far Soviet Russia was just such a state ( with the tech allowed to it at the time ). I am not sure how this is a contradiction. Each society governs its own priorities.

* The idea that there would be a complete backtrack in labor rights and labor safety (the ice asteroid mining scene).

I can't even.. We can just barely force corporations to maintain labor rights now with some semblance of control since we have them physically operating and we can summon the representative in court and enforce compliance. And even then, those controls are eroded via various means. Is it really that difficult to imagine 'when cats away' scenario?

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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Such a great show. They also censored themselves when they discovered a recipe for an incredibly easy and powerful explosive. I throw that out there as a case of self-regulation in the marketplace of ideas. Edit: Adam Savage talking about it -- https://nerdist.com/article/mythbusters-destroyed-all-eviden... Apparently it was not well known, so not an original discovery but still a legitimate use of the word. My comme…

I don't think that's so much self-regulation as it is the producers would probably not let them publicize something like that on TV and avoid some 3-letter agency knocking on their doors.

Some people have a basic sense of morality, doing what's right.

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This reminds me of how people get angry at me whenever I poke holes in the science of movies. Movies affect people's ideas of what is possible and what is impossible. This is why I'm also quite against, in the general case, post-apocalyptic movies that predict a future based on non-science impossible things happening. Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a…

How do you reconcile your prediction of a better future with the current scientific projections of the effects that climate change (and a myriad other environmental challenges and resources issues) will have?

Especially given that our current position at the top of the trend of improvement is in enormous part due to fossil fuels - the primary contributor to climate change and our expected future trajectory.

Past performance is not indicative of future results and quite frankly, to me, it all looks downhill from here.

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a false impression that the future will be worse than the past I think The Expanse got it right, in that we're more likely in the near to medium term to get a bunch of oligarch type Jules-Pierre Maos (Hi Bezos!) running things behind the scenes. Not a utopia type technology + spaceflight + social inequity problems solv…

The Expanse is one of the TV series that I was thinking of actually when I wrote that comment. It'd be too long to write down here but I feel like while The Expanse got many things right it also portrayed all sorts of fundamental things that were completely off. For example even in the first season things that are fundamentally off that result in very different futures: * The idea that we would actively intentionally…

Addressing your points:

1. Is it recreation, or just maintaining the status quo? Once MAD exists, I don’t think it ever stops existing. Space creates an opportunity to escape MAD thus intrinsically a threat. It’s not hard to imagine MAD proliferating as humanity proliferates. It may seem obvious that this is the wrong path, but it’s not obvious that major world players see things the same way.

2. I think books and shows tend to be made about periods of time that involve extraordinary discoveries because the time prior to this is not particularly interesting and there wouldn’t be anything to tell a space story about.

This show also sets out to show the relatively near future and early stages of space exploration which means it must necessarily come on the heels of some major breakthrough.

3. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Is this too far off from current reality?

4. Look at the current climate towards human rights and the trend towards losing them worldwide. Recent major decisions by the US Supreme Court also come to mind. That old behaviors would re-emerge in environments subject to less oversight seems pretty plausible.

Obviously everyone has personal preferences, but $0.02.

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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This reminds me of how people get angry at me whenever I poke holes in the science of movies. Movies affect people's ideas of what is possible and what is impossible. This is why I'm also quite against, in the general case, post-apocalyptic movies that predict a future based on non-science impossible things happening. Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a…

> giving people a false impression that the future will be worse than the past even that goes against direct evidence that throughout human history things have trended better, on average, every single year with a few moments of worsening.

This is called 'Whig history' and in my view it is an incorrect characterization of history that gives people a false impression that things will get better without them having to understand the enabling factors that lead to social improvement, ironically leading to the possibility of a decrease in prosperity and social welfare as people take improvement for granted and fail to bring it about through their actions.

Re: MythBusters Helped a Wrongly Convicted Man Prove His Innocence

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This reminds me of how people get angry at me whenever I poke holes in the science of movies. Movies affect people's ideas of what is possible and what is impossible. This is why I'm also quite against, in the general case, post-apocalyptic movies that predict a future based on non-science impossible things happening. Many spaceflight movies and TV shows for example show very bad things in the future giving people a…

its art.... leave it alone, these films are not documentaries
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