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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by NoraCodes »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #270
NoraCodes wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always open to being wrong, but I'm also pretty confident that you lack in reading comprehension skills. The argument GP was making was about affirmative action being a net negative for impoverished students, and this is, as far as I can tell, utterly irrelevant to that argument.

They accused the other poster of making up the situation in which asian students are unfairly disadvantaged. drives a semi through the weasel wording of 'other factors' One wonders if slaves had other factors too.

Most of the words in the comment I replied to were dedicated to describing the economic status of the hypothetical people involved, and I think I did a good job of making it clear that that's what I was responding to.

> One wonders if slaves had other factors too.

This strikes me as deeply irrelevant and a major rhetorical escalation. My argument was that it's unreasonable to link economic discrimination and racial affirmative action.

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

newyankee wrote: post #271
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory. What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes. It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

That is a very far fetched statement. I am an Indian and technically from Other backward class (OBC) as classified in the system. I have never had a problem in my city. Off course that doesn't mean that India is not a huge and complex country with 100s if not thousands of groups differentiated based on region, class , caste etc. You are colouring a very complicated and nuanced issue with your personal biases.

What bias is it you think I have?

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Post by unethical_ban »

chrischattin wrote: post #166
aaomidi wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have sources for this? Because from what I’ve read affirmative action has been huge in giving that initial boost for creation of more generational wealth. I mean affirmative action for white people is effectively why white people are so ahead in this country (red lining)

That’s not how citations work. Can’t prove a negative. It’s on YOU to provide proof because you’re the one making the assertion that future racial discrimination fixes past injustice (which I wholeheartedly disagree with).

Make a powerful assertion against the tide of conversation then demand academic level sources without trying to convince anyone of your own position.

There is a term for people like you and out rhymes with "scroll".

No one is obliged to engage in your attempted argument nor to do more work than you're willing to put into the conversation.

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Post by NeverFade »

NoraCodes wrote: post #274
NeverFade wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we know there is racial discrimination against Asians based on their race, and in favor of blacks and hispanics. Yet when I cited an example of an Asian kid getting rejected in favor of a black kid, you claimed I invented it. When you now admit we know it is happening.

At no point did I say that wasn't happening. I was responding to your comment about economic factors. Did I misunderstand your original comment? You said: > I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Asian kid who was born in poverty, got bullied in school, struggled all his life to achieve the grades and stats to qualify for a top school, then got rejected in favor of a rich black American kid Is this not about th…

> In clearer words: I think you made this situation up

> At no point did I say that wasn't happening.

So it is happening, yet "I made it up"? It is both real and made up, at the same time?

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Post by alephnerd »

29athrowaway wrote: post #93
mkl95 wrote: post #53

I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

My observation is that the Indians that make it to the US via companies like TCS, Infosys and others, are the product of a highly political environment where you are expected to worship your manager and tend to be political as fuck. They are very different to Indians that have not worked in such environments, who tend to be much more trustworthy and ethical. In America, a manager is another employee who can be wrong…

A lot of it is due to lack of resources. Even Indian grads view TCS and TCS type companies as the choice of last resort. They’re still paying the same wages as they were in the early 2000s (3.5 Lakh), while ignoring inflation (3.5 lakh would be around $10k in the 2000s but only around $5k in 2022). Lots of Indian companies and western companies pay way more than that. Heck, even farming would get you a guaranteed 3 Lakh subsidy with MSP

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Post by [deleted] »

NeverFade wrote: post #284
NoraCodes wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At no point did I say that wasn't happening. I was responding to your comment about economic factors. Did I misunderstand your original comment? You said: > I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Asian kid who was born in poverty, got bullied in school, struggled all his life to achieve the grades and stats to qualify for a top school, then got rejected in favor of a rich black American kid Is this not about th…

> In clearer words: I think you made this situation up > At no point did I say that wasn't happening. So it is happening, yet "I made it up"? It is both real and made up, at the same time?

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Post by wongarsu »

mattigames wrote: post #162
sephlietz wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan's population is something like 98% Japanese ethnicity.

And you think racism has nothing to do with that being the case? Meaning why do you think a country as successful as Japan is not filled with a diversity of immigrants from other races?

I think it's no secret that Japan has a reputation for racism, and that you have it harder as an immigrant.

Still, the board of Mitsubishi is perfectly reflective of the Japanese population (ignoring the gender ratio, which isn't great but in line with the global average for boards of directors)

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Post by KrishnaShripad »

newyankee wrote: post #271
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory. What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes. It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

That is a very far fetched statement. I am an Indian and technically from Other backward class (OBC) as classified in the system. I have never had a problem in my city. Off course that doesn't mean that India is not a huge and complex country with 100s if not thousands of groups differentiated based on region, class , caste etc. You are colouring a very complicated and nuanced issue with your personal biases.

The only comment here that actually spoke the Facts as it is. Another commenter even said there is "systemic slavery" in India. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the naivety of this individual. To think that 1.4 billion people, of which 80% belong to the so called "lower caste" strata, and that the rest 20% are enslaving the 80% is not only laughable but downright insane proposition. I wanted to respond but I know it is not worth spending my time and energy on such individuals.

Just goes to show how bias clouds reason and logic. Propaganda in full swing!

Thank you for speaking facts.

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Post by webmobdev »

yrgulation wrote: post #149
webmobdev wrote: post #136

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Nobody is justifying racism, just explaining identity politics that unconsciously makes us biased towards someone who shares similar values with us. It's more obvious in the USA as it is a multi-cultural country made of immigrants, who generally tend to feel insecure and thus tend to turn to their own community to feel more secure. Unfortunately this insecurity is often exploited by right-wing politicians and used by…

“It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive.” Meaning that its ok to be racist against the race that is perceived as oppressive. I dont subscribe to that and it proves my point. There is a sense of “racial preference” and the justification is that comment above. I think an eye for an eye will make us all blind and it needs to stop. We really need to move beyond this non…

> But i dont agree that people should self segregate as that is another form of racism. This vicious circle needs to end.

Very true. I believe we are talking about the same thing - you are absolutely right that if we aren't self-aware of our biases, we can fall victim to our own prejudice against others (especially if we are exposed to right-wing propaganda). Unfortunately this can be a difficult thing to realise unless we are secure and at peace with ourselves (which is why right-wing politics always tries to keep society in a tense state, as their politics only work when people can't think rationally). Another issue is that people generally have social anxiety when trying to mingle with other cultures, and so they often take the easy way out of avoiding meeting people and expanding their social circle due to their personal inhibitions (let's face it, even though we are supposed to be social creatures, we humans have a tough time socialising and building relationship with others!). This is ofcourse detrimental to ourselves and our society.

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Post by NoraCodes »

NeverFade wrote: post #284
NoraCodes wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At no point did I say that wasn't happening. I was responding to your comment about economic factors. Did I misunderstand your original comment? You said: > I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Asian kid who was born in poverty, got bullied in school, struggled all his life to achieve the grades and stats to qualify for a top school, then got rejected in favor of a rich black American kid Is this not about th…

> In clearer words: I think you made this situation up > At no point did I say that wasn't happening. So it is happening, yet "I made it up"? It is both real and made up, at the same time?

You made up the relationship between economic status and race in this particular situation in order to strike an emotional chord. No?
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