Leipzig again or back to Hamburg?
Hamburg, they finally finished renovating the CCH.
Wonderfull, looking forward to seeing all the nooks, crannies and secret passages again.
Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#52Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…
> The US scene in comparison (seen from far, just to be clear) looks much more comfortable with closeness to corporate and state actors.
this is true, and it's one of the reasons I helped start cyberia.club and layerze.ro - US tech is deeply entwined with megacorps and it sucks the joy out of hacking, at least imho.
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most important elements of the submission (abstract and description) are there. There's no reason to try to 'game' this, just submit a good talk proposal on a topic that aligns with the focus tracks of the conference. The CfP is handled by people who are able to tell apart a bullshit talk with a well-written proposal from a good talk with a proposal written by someone inexperienced. :)
Mainly just curious what gets submitted as is, since guessing a lot of people have no idea what to expect and seeing prior examples would significantly reduce that gap. (Also swear I have seen something like blog post that showed this before, but unable to find it.)
Previously accepted talks give you a quite good sample about what kind of content is accepted ...
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization [citation needed] I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current Germa…
In addition the CCC is a regular contributor to parliamentary hearings - be it investigatory committees or in the context of new or revised legislation. They are an active part of society and their voice is being heard.
> regular contributor to parliamentary hearings
And typically invited by the opposition, not the governing parties ...
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization [citation needed] I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current Germa…
Funny how throughout my over 11k karma points the only comments that get downvoted without reply or clarification are ones that underline slightly left leaning viewpoints with facts. I'd love to know the factually wrong parts of what I say, so I can avoid saying it in the future and maybe even adjust my world view accordingly. This happens with many issues I discuss, but when it comes to (on the european political sp…
I fall in a similar camp.
I think generally what we see as "slightly left leaning" ends up being "extreme left leaning" seen from the eyes of the US, as "center" politics in Europe would still be considered "left" in the US.
Basically, the baseline of the entire country leans so far right, that anything outside of the right seems at least slightly "leftists" in US politics.
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#56All the we-pay-noone to participate is very weird in 2022 when information technology industries are potentially among the wealthiest. And particularly when the events are non-free-admission.
Agreed in principle, but 37C3 is a volunteer-run event. Admission fees are low and (barely) cover expenses.
Disclaimer: runs free events, where organizers are volunteers, in which we're still trying to find sponsorship money for small speaker honorariums.
While I'm grateful to ccc organizers and understand that things are sometimes clearer and easier without the distorting effects of money...
I think defaulting to offering an honorarium to speakers is really healthy. The cultural baseline can easily be set to that any "financially comfortable" speakers donate it straight back without collecting, while only those who need it, keep it.
Why? Because speakers with many areas of expertise cannot afford to spend time speaking for free. Some really rad people can, but just saying that many cannot. And while it's maybe not a big deal if there's narrow representation of ppl volunteering at the ticket booth, there is a larger loss of possibility when cash-poor types of speakers can't afford to show up.
Speakers are the bringers of ideas, and who speaks affects the intellectual space that an event creates. And it might be said that creating that intellectual space is the main point of an event. The other motivation is maybe creating a new relational space, new relationships between people that tend to be fostered and grown around the feeding trough of presentation content.
So the "intellectual" is about "what gets broadcast" and "relational" is more about "who gets enticed to attend", and "which ideas fuck and make new ideas in the conversations between those attendees". All of the above flows from the speakers, and so I'd argue that it's more important to use the powerful magic of money to help certain speakers show up.
I think the sweet spot for starting to experiment with honoraria is: low enough to be a bit insulting to those who would be driven by the money, but high enough to meaningfully cover some costs for someone just trying to get by :)
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#57Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…
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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#58Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…
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Nonsense.
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#59I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.
As somebody else already said, it's perfect for the DACH region. Many companies close "between the years" (the 7 days between Christmas Eve and New Years) or run on a bare minimum staff.
It's easy for most people to take time off then and visit the congress.
Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3
#60Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…
I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1].
Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for confirming your own moral superiority. I mean, just look at the website, and you will clearly see that the whole site is meant as a joke.
If you want to be political, you shouldn't start with labelling someone as "fac|rac|sex-ist" because that implicitly means that it's the end of the discussion. That's not how politics should work. Paul Graham wrote a wonderful essay about this. [2]
I'm now just donating my ex-membership fee to my local Chaostreff, since I know what kind of person runs that place :)