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Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by philliphaydon »

Kukumber wrote: post #8
haswell wrote: post #7

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> That policy never applied to ethnic groups, so the idea that the chinese government is trying to imprison ethnic groups to "re-educate" them is hard to believe I’m trying to understand this paragraph. In your mind, in what way does the one child policy make any of this hard to believe? How does that policy change our understanding of what’s going on in these camps?

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…

Taiwan is not part of China. There’s nothing for the US to split.

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Post by haswell »

MickerNews wrote: post #17
haswell wrote: post #9

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> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

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Coverage of the abuses in these prisons is not limited to a single country or region of the world. And which is “my own” country’s media?

It is not intellectual laziness to observe that an account primarily parrots the propaganda of certain repressive governments.

Your own account is rather interesting in that regard.

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Post by joemazerino »

MickerNews wrote: post #20
jimlongton wrote: post #4

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

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I stopped when you said "sinophobes". It is classic CCP counter-intel to describe all of it's enemies as racist.

Why are you here on a thread about Iran anyways?

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Post by MickerNews »

haswell wrote: post #18
Kukumber wrote: post #13

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If you’re only aware of blurry videos on Twitter, I’d recommend you do a deeper dive and look at additional reporting on this matter. You don’t have to look very far [0] (just a single example). At least you acknowledge the gigantic leap in your argument. How does one go through the ascension process? - [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chi...

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Post by Retric »

jdmonty wrote: post #11
jimlongton wrote: post #4

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

Source? Actually, low effort agit prop that could actually be done by NGOs. Moral grand standing by US is so tiresome… it’s an Psyop color revolution otherwise we’d see Saudi protests etc.

China has openly acknowledged these camps, going so far has to request the UN acknowledge their sovereignty:

“The Chinese government officially legalized re-education camps in Xinjiang in October 2018.[422] Prior to that, when international media had asked about the re-education camps, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that they have not heard of this situation.[423]

On 12 August 2018, a Chinese state-run tabloid, Global Times, defended the crackdown in Xinjiang after a U.N. anti-discrimination committee raised concerns over China's treatment of Uyghurs. According to the Global Times, China prevented Xinjiang from becoming 'China's Syria' or 'China's Libya', and local authorities' policies saved countless lives and avoided a 'great tragedy'.[424][425]

On 21 August 2018, Liu Xiaoming, the Ambassador of China to the United Kingdom, wrote an article in response to a Financial Times report entitled "Crackdown in Xinjiang: Where have all the people gone?".[432] Liu's response said: "The education and training measures taken by the local government of Xinjiang have not only effectively prevented the infiltration of religious extremism and helped those lost in extremist ideas to find their way back, but also provided them with employment training in order to build a better life."[433]

In September 2020, amid condemnation from Western countries, Chinese paramount leader Xi Jinping acclaimed the success of his policies in Xinjiang in a 2-day conference expected to set the country's policy for the next years.[445] The Chinese government published a white paper defending its "vocational training centers," claiming that the regional government organised 'employment-oriented training' and labour skills for 1.29 million workers a year from 2014 to 2019.[446]“

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

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Post by MickerNews »

joemazerino wrote: post #23
MickerNews wrote: post #20

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I stopped when you said "sinophobes". It is classic CCP counter-intel to describe all of it's enemies as racist. Why are you here on a thread about Iran anyways?

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Post by pessimizer »

joemazerino wrote: post #23
MickerNews wrote: post #20

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I stopped when you said "sinophobes". It is classic CCP counter-intel to describe all of it's enemies as racist. Why are you here on a thread about Iran anyways?

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Post by xwolfi »

MickerNews wrote: post #16
jimlongton wrote: post #4

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

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I live in China, I think if our asses were so clean, we could all go there and even visit these reform camps they said they built and are not at all cruel and inhumane.

You can say the foreigners exagerate, sure they do, with their sudden newfound love for muslim people even the worst ayatollahs of the world cant seem to express, but hum, it's not like there's no fire behind all this smoke...

However I've always been careful not to call it a genocide: for me we must prove the mass deaths first.

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Post by haswell »

MickerNews wrote: post #24
haswell wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re only aware of blurry videos on Twitter, I’d recommend you do a deeper dive and look at additional reporting on this matter. You don’t have to look very far [0] (just a single example). At least you acknowledge the gigantic leap in your argument. How does one go through the ascension process? - [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chi...

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> These images are all fake, and obviously so.

As a photographer, what about these images is obviously fake?

> All the eyes are at an identical pitch

Which is evidence of what? Generally, when booking photos are taken, the subject is asked to look at a single spot to preserve consistency and identifiability.

> when you go to the source you'll find many of them wearing exactly the same clothes, with exactly the same creases.

I find it very unsurprising that people in a prison situation are wearing the same clothes.

All of my clothing is also creased in the same places, but this is no big conspiracy, there are just popular ways of folding clothes…

I’m always interested in getting the whole story, but you’re going to need to share a less sketchy link…

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Post by GekkePrutser »

jagaerglad wrote: post #6
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #2

Apart from the usual "this is something important that is happening" (which is not quite HN "intellectual curiosity" territory, what is striking is the use of what I assume is a V for Vendetta mask - with Red and Green daubing. How culture spreads is ... fascinating.

That is like ...nothing, then you have like no idea how omnipresent this type of pop culture is (for good or for worse). Of course iranians watch these types of movies and of course an iranian hacker would be aware of the mask symbolism

These masks are also made by the Chinese in the billions and available in any "Bazar" for very cheap so they're a cheap way to obscure your identity :)

Not saying this is the case here (for TV this is probably well considered and it's not the standard Chinese mask which is the 'smiling' version) but there might be more than one explanation especially for seeing them on the street during protests.

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