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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by nonamechicken »

Infosys stopped hiring Indians in US at least 2-3 years ago, may be before President Trump moved out. Al their job ads (in Indeed) would have this line: "U.S. citizens and those authorized to work in the U.S. are encouraged to apply. We are unable to sponsor at this time."

Example: https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=b8ca8d3db6e11c9e

Majority of those who need visa sponsorship are Indians & Chinese.

And this is not just Infosys. I have seen the same wording in job ads of many American companies.

My friend who worked in Infosys told me that they were so desperate to hire Americans that they conducted a job fair and if selected, they would give offer letter on the same day.

I am pretty sure Infosys did this because of all the negative media about them preferring to hire Indians in US causing Americans to loose jobs.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by mattmanser »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #37
Drakim wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be a bad thing and still the best option you got, a lesser of two evils. I don't think anybody should lose out on a opportunity because some minority quota needs to be filled, but I also don't think minorities and discriminated groups should live in a perpetual self-reinforcing unhirability loop either.

Is there any evidence at all that women or minorities are in "unhirability loops"? Something like 80% of the managers I've had in my career have been Indians, and the majority of them were women. Every company I've worked at has many Indian employees, and I strongly suspect the male/female ratio was at least at parity with the hiring pipeline. Moreover, if one woman was discriminated against, you can't make up for it…

Yes, for example even after decades of saying there should be more women and minority people on corporate boards, it's all still dominated by white men.

California brought in a law banning all male boards in 2018 because the problem is so endemic. Not 1988, 2018.

A majority of companies in the S&P 500 have at least one woman on their boards, but only about a quarter have more than two, according to a study from PwC.[1]

So this is still happening now, and for decades most boards just had a token woman at best.

For me personally, when I found out about how unrepresentative corporate boardrooms were, that changed my mind about positive discrimination.

It showed me clear evidence that network effects were too strong, meritocracy is a farce and it had to be broken by forcing a cultural change, i.e. positive discrimination was the right solution.

If you go back far enough in my comment history here you'll probably find me arguing against it. But I learnt about the persistent gender and minority inequality on boards a decade or two ago and changed my mind.

You should too.

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/30/business/california-requi...

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by auggierose »

aaomidi wrote: post #94
booleandilemma wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is only for white people. Look at the diversity on the board of Mitsubishi: https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/

I mean I’ll take a stab at this: https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/company/leadership-and-governanc...

Why? The full last row consists of women and asians.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by phpisthebest »

tsimionescu wrote: post #128
phpisthebest wrote: post #86

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>>Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities. it is nothing like that for 3 reasons 1. first and foremost the "white only" schools was legally required segregation, it was imposed by law and the elimination of that required law to reverse. These laws have now been absent for decades 2. Primary education is where this battle shoul…

Regarding 1, even after whites-only schools became illegal, little changed. Previously legally whites-only schools stayed in-practice whites-only, often with explicit discrimination by racist parents and teachers to discourage any black people from sending or keeping their children in the school, but other times simply as by-product of housing inequality. It was hard for people in a black neighborhood - itself create…

I understand that, which is why today I 100% support back pack funding of schools. I despise the idea of Regional school districts, and really the fact that most schools are funded by local very tiny regional property tax districts, making some schools VERY VERY well funded to the point where high schools are building professional sports arena's and other districts just a few miles away can not afford proper computers.

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Post by jwond »

dendriti wrote: post #41
seper8 wrote: post #5

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It doesn't, but you can't discriminate against white men. /s

Folks, this is not difficult to understand unless you're deliberately being obtuse. There's legal and illegal discrimination. Some forms of legal discrimination do amount to discrimination against White people. When we say "Discrimination is wrong" we are almost always talking about illegal discrimination. Just crying out that "But.... but you said discrimination is wrong!" really isn't the 'argument' you think it is…

Just because something is legal does not mean it is morally acceptable. Slavery was once perfectly legal, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by aliqot »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #135
acegopher wrote: post #60

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While 'reverse discrimination' can end up being a concern, the societal reason for it's use is to correct for past legal or defacto discrimination that may have become structural. Discrimination can have long-lasting or multi-generational effects that can persist. Men may consciously or subconsciously prefer other men, calling it "culture fit". Today's minorities may not have the same wealth distribution, which allow…

> So 'reverse discrimination', when applied correctly, can help to break those structural inequities. Can the irish apply to get priviliges? Or is the only factor here the persons skin color?

Also the Jewish and Italians, because they were discriminated against similarly at the time.

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Post by aliqot »

ElCheapo wrote: post #186
aliqot wrote: post #179

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To err on the side of being as polite as possible: In some grim scenarios, diversity led to certain situations that gave rise to big innovations.

Quoted post unavailable.

Im not a bot.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by kfk »

mkl95 wrote: post #53

I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

The problem here is the idea that offshore country labor arbitrage can give you ridicolous cost savings way over 50% compared to local resources. Of course this is pipe dreams and especially with remote work good people have a cost, no matter where they work. But companies like Infosys still are forced on selling with that sales pitch… so what happens? They hire mostly unqualified people. This is not a problem with Indian employees, it’s a problem of Western executives having unrealistic IT costs expectations. Want to save IT costs? Have realistic expectations on the number of digital initiatives your company can run, do less things basically, don’t try to do a lot and hire cheap labor to keep IT cost low.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by alex028502 »

sephlietz wrote: post #101
booleandilemma wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diversity is only for white people. Look at the diversity on the board of Mitsubishi: https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/

Japan's population is something like 98% Japanese ethnicity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883680
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