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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Few things make me feel as gross about reading this website than all the whining about discrimination against white men.

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I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

So the problem is hiring cheap labor, yet you didnt list any problems with Eastern European.

Since some Indians fucked something up somewhere, there is subtle racism towards Eastern Europeans?

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Wow - so Indian companies hires all Indians even in American offices. CEO gets caught on a hot mike saying they don't want to hire stupid Americans which forces said CEO to change hiring policy but they blunder it and tell HR not to hire Indian candidates which back fires.

Diversity is only for white people. Look at the diversity on the board of Mitsubishi: https://www.mitsubishicorp.com/jp/en/about/bmembers/

A Japanese company filled with mostly Japanese people in Japan - a country with 98% Japanese people. Who would've thunk it.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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I seen it so many times. Indian companies try to avoid hiring Indians whenever they can do otherwise (i.e. for better paying positions). There are good and bad explanations for that, but all of them politically incorrect.

I would not get the point of someone telling me what I should do wirh my investment, home, or property of any kind.

If I do NOT want to put MY money somewhere actively that is not discrimination.

In fact it is denying the freedom to choose.

I do not care they hire all indians or no indians. Same for any other combination.

Because they are incurrimg the cost of doing so.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Wow - so Indian companies hires all Indians even in American offices. CEO gets caught on a hot mike saying they don't want to hire stupid Americans which forces said CEO to change hiring policy but they blunder it and tell HR not to hire Indian candidates which back fires.

Did you read the linked article?

she was asked by the Bengaluru-headquartered IT company to avoid hiring people of Indian origin

This is a claim by a fired former VP.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Didn't know skin pigment contributed to innovation. "Diversity" is empty HR speak, please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation.

> please specify which kind of diversity fosters innovation To keep an open mind I did a thought experiment and found a few: entertainment, fusion food, music, those things I'd imagine benefit greatly from diversity.

You told me human endeavors in which "diversity" (which again, means nothing) fosters innovation. But that wasn't my question. I asked what kind of diversity fosters innovation, not what kind of innovation is fostered by diversity

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Some people are running a marathon, half way through it is discovered half of them had been given weighted shoes that made them run significantly slower. The organizers and racers agree this is wrong and unfair, and so they make sure everyone has correct shoes for the rest of the race. Yet those half of the racers that had weighted shoes are several miles behind the rest. What would you suggest be done?

Bad analogy. That’s like suggesting we give racers in the next race an advantage because of what happened in the current race, which creates obvious unfair outcomes.

The marathon is infinitely long and we rank people on their positions every 5 miles.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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The state I live in is 85% white and the goal is to hire much less than 85% whites. So the goal is to create a diverse community that doesn't exist.

Diversity can foster innovation.

The commonly held definition of 'diversity' needs more diversity - to mean more than skin color quotas.

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Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

I dunno what other industries are like but I've interviewed quite a few software engineers this year and only had a couple women apply. I don't have much of an opinion on hiring incentives but it seems like focusing on the education system would be more effective.

When I did my BSc in CompSci (2000ish) there were around 10% women at enrollment, and down to 4% at graduation. It was kind of sad to me (male), and part of the reason I delayed joining the industry.

It seemed like a cultural issue to me, like it was just too boyish and bro-ish for women to want to enter the programme. Sausage party effect.

Judging from the department photos of graduates from past years, you could see that there were way more women in CompSci the 70s and 80s.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Yes. Not to mince words, as others frequently do, but that's basically what's happening. The alterntive, so-called "pure meritocracy", is a farce because the implied implicit "merit" is, by the very nature of the systemic inequalities that exist, unequally distributed. And merit is transferred down the generations. Privilege begets privilege. Etc. This is the issue that we are rightfully trying to counter. It is righ…

People shit on meritocracy until the planes start falling out of the sky and we're murdering sparrows for being capitalist saboteurs.

I'm guessing that the Boeing fiasco was because they were trying to meet quotas, then /s
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