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Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by yrgulation »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #66
yrgulation wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?

Don't get ahead of yourself there. Racial preferences are very common around the world. It becomes part of self-worth to value one's cohort above those that are seen as opressive. Such as the ubiquitous western culture in media. Anyway, the melting pot of the USA has created a dialog about race that may be missing or very small elsewhere. Witness the apparent race-tone-deaf attitudes in Japanese mainstream, where bei…

Interesting but i dont agree with any justification for racism. Be it against americans, indians, or others. Race has no place in any debate. We are what we are and we are all equal in that regard.

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Post by notart666 »

dr-detroit wrote: post #33
throwaway894345 wrote: post #23

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People aren't fungible. Discriminating in favor of some women/minorities doesn't help other other women/minorities elsewhere who have been harmed by discrimination. The goal should be to reduce injustice, not to incur more injustice as a mechanism to achieve parity between arbitrary identity groups.

The state I live in is 85% white and the goal is to hire much less than 85% whites. So the goal is to create a diverse community that doesn't exist.

Well Dr.Detroit. Where I'm from in the Midwest. Black people live predominately in homelessness because the white majority just refuses to hire them for jobs. As for many of them as well, they are underemployed even when they seek employment opportunities.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by luckylion »

gilbetron wrote: post #44
aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Some people are running a marathon, half way through it is discovered half of them had been given weighted shoes that made them run significantly slower. The organizers and racers agree this is wrong and unfair, and so they make sure everyone has correct shoes for the rest of the race. Yet those half of the racers that had weighted shoes are several miles behind the rest. What would you suggest be done?

You give weighted shoes to other people in another location a few years down the line, right?

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by germandiago »

pfisch wrote: post #38
throwaway894345 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't fungible. Discriminating in favor of some women/minorities doesn't help other other women/minorities elsewhere who have been harmed by discrimination. The goal should be to reduce injustice, not to incur more injustice as a mechanism to achieve parity between arbitrary identity groups.

I'm not making a pro or con judgement but it does help future women/minorities for current women/minorities to break glass ceilings and get into new industries/positions. Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities.

What is the glass ceiling?

In Norway years back they promoted a program for women to study engineering disciplines. They increased a lot.

So at some point they thought they could stop doing it and percentages came back to where they were before after some time I recall.

If it was a cultural thing... they would have stayed. On the way u had discrimination by sex (AFAIK men were not paid for choosing engineering and women were paid FOR choosing, a privilege under any circumstance since noone forbid them to choose that).

All in all what happened is that some ppl saw a chance (incentive) in dtudying cheaper or whatever. But was the real reason to choose those degrees bc they really liked it?

I really think promoting good stuff is nice. But distorting it via positive discrimination is not the solution.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by illegalmemory »

yrgulation wrote: post #56
anon23anon wrote: post #10

Wow - so Indian companies hires all Indians even in American offices. CEO gets caught on a hot mike saying they don't want to hire stupid Americans which forces said CEO to change hiring policy but they blunder it and tell HR not to hire Indian candidates which back fires.

Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?

From your comments history, it looks like you have strong feelings against India, which might be leading to a negative bias. But such favoritism is prevalent in all cultures to some extent.

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Post by phpisthebest »

pfisch wrote: post #38
throwaway894345 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't fungible. Discriminating in favor of some women/minorities doesn't help other other women/minorities elsewhere who have been harmed by discrimination. The goal should be to reduce injustice, not to incur more injustice as a mechanism to achieve parity between arbitrary identity groups.

I'm not making a pro or con judgement but it does help future women/minorities for current women/minorities to break glass ceilings and get into new industries/positions. Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities.

>>Just like the first black kids sent to white only schools during integration helped make things less terrible for future minorities.

it is nothing like that for 3 reasons

1. first and foremost the "white only" schools was legally required segregation, it was imposed by law and the elimination of that required law to reverse. These laws have now been absent for decades

2. Primary education is where this battle should be fought, even today there are still battle that need to be fought when it come to resource alloation, school choice, etc. You do not attempt to fix a bad casting after the poor you need to fix the mold.... We do that by fixing primary education which is being used by various political factions on both the left and the right to push political agenda and not education.

3. Once we get to adulthood, using discrimination to "fix" historic discrimination will not resolve the underlying problem (see #2) and will likely create more discrimination against the very groups you are attempting to assist, it is in all cases a general net negative.

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Post by aaomidi »

chrischattin wrote: post #59
lifeformed wrote: post #46

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Because some societal imbalances are stuck in a local minimum, and it requires some artificial pressures to get out of it. The goal is to improve opportunities for groups that historically had less of them. Manually adjusting the workforce demographics is one of the tools to nudge things towards the goal, to help shift attitudes and education. It's not perfect, but it's not like market forces are going to do it.

You can’t fix racism/sexism by being racist/sexist.

Do you have sources for this? Because from what I’ve read affirmative action has been huge in giving that initial boost for creation of more generational wealth.

I mean affirmative action for white people is effectively why white people are so ahead in this country (red lining)

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Post by yrgulation »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #72
yrgulation wrote: post #56

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Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?

> And why is racism so prevalent among indians? This statement almost seems ironic...

Almost but its not. I’ve observed this behaviour in the brexit debate in the uk as well. I dont know if its the stockholm syndrome but some do very well enjoy racist remarks about other nationalities or “races”.

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Post by alistairSH »

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

You’re assuming there is only one qualified person for a given position. And that the woman/minority is not that person. In most cases there are multiple qualified people.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by yrgulation »

illegalmemory wrote: post #85
yrgulation wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow you are right he did say that. Had to google it to confirm. How is that not racist? And why is racism so prevalent among indians?

From your comments history, it looks like you have strong feelings against India, which might be leading to a negative bias. But such favoritism is prevalent in all cultures to some extent.

Huh? Thats just slanderous and not based in fact. I have nothing against india. I dont like its policies but that doesnt mean i dont like india. Quite the contrary, if i didnt, i wouldnt care. I find it appalling how any time someone raises disagreement with that country’s policies they get attacked almost instantly.
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