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Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by jdmonty »

jimlongton wrote: post #4
Kukumber wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

Source? Actually, low effort agit prop that could actually be done by NGOs. Moral grand standing by US is so tiresome… it’s an Psyop color revolution otherwise we’d see Saudi protests etc.

Re: Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by fritztastic »

Kukumber wrote: post #8
haswell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That policy never applied to ethnic groups, so the idea that the chinese government is trying to imprison ethnic groups to "re-educate" them is hard to believe I’m trying to understand this paragraph. In your mind, in what way does the one child policy make any of this hard to believe? How does that policy change our understanding of what’s going on in these camps?

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…

> If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group"

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups

Or, they just didn't deem the issue relevant enough to spend the resources to deal with it. China is a large country, some of those ethnic groups exist in remote locations, some very difficult to reach- it has been the case numerous times when a natural disaster occurred and aid was slow to reach those regions because of logistical difficulties.

Perhaps it wasn't that they are fine with the ethnic groups, but that they were indifferent and/or deemed them unimportant unless they had sufficient reason to think they warranted the attention/involvement.

Mind that just because they didn't want to lower their numbers, doesn't mean they have no issue with those groups, or that they wouldn't have issues with them if the situation and their perception of them changed.

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Post by Kukumber »

haswell wrote: post #9
Kukumber wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

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Post by fritztastic »

Kukumber wrote: post #3
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #2

Apart from the usual "this is something important that is happening" (which is not quite HN "intellectual curiosity" territory, what is striking is the use of what I assume is a V for Vendetta mask - with Red and Green daubing. How culture spreads is ... fascinating.

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>the intent was to make sure people instantly understand without context

This goes without saying, but this isn't exclusive to AlQaeda. Using video editing to convey a strong message isn't enough reason to conclude there is a link to foreign intelligence. Most likely they were just trying to be direct and convey a message (a statement to the regime that the people are tired of and angry about the oppression/violence)- none of what you mentioned to explain your association to AlQaeda makes any sense- "musical tribal message"? Are you inplying AlQaeda is controlled by a foreign agency? Which agency?

Really makes it sound like you have a very vague understanding of the region, alongside a very strong bias.

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Post by [deleted] »

Kukumber wrote: post #8
haswell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That policy never applied to ethnic groups, so the idea that the chinese government is trying to imprison ethnic groups to "re-educate" them is hard to believe I’m trying to understand this paragraph. In your mind, in what way does the one child policy make any of this hard to believe? How does that policy change our understanding of what’s going on in these camps?

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…

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Post by MickerNews »

jimlongton wrote: post #4
Kukumber wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

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Post by MickerNews »

haswell wrote: post #9
Kukumber wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

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Post by haswell »

Kukumber wrote: post #13
haswell wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups This is a gigantic leap to a conclusion that does not logically follow the premise, and ignores evidence that requires no such leaps. I guess it was the inevitable that the Chinese propaganda machine would make its way to HN.

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If you’re only aware of blurry videos on Twitter, I’d recommend you do a deeper dive and look at additional reporting on this matter. You don’t have to look very far [0] (just a single example).

At least you acknowledge the gigantic leap in your argument.

How does one go through the ascension process?

- [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chi...

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Post by photochemsyn »

Given the recent split between the USA and Saudi Arabia over crude oil production targets, I wouldn't be surprised to see similar hacking of Saudi news feeds by 'domestic protestors' and a new US State Department focus on 'human rights and democratic reforms in the repressive Saudi dictatorship' coming up pretty quickly.

This would be a radical shift from US behavior during the Arab Spring, when the USA gave a wink and a nod to Saudi tanks rolling into Bahrain to crush the pro-democracy protests there.

[edit] Here's a story about Saudi Arabia, hijabs, and death threats to women (2016). Let the revolutions begin!

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1251171/saudis-call-execution-w...

> "A woman in Saudi Arabia has sparked outrage after posting a photo of herself on Twitter without an abaya or hijab, and is now facing calls for her execution."

Re: Protests in Iran: State-run live TV hacked by protesters

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Post by MickerNews »

jimlongton wrote: post #4
Kukumber wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It's similar with the low quality "drone" footage from the Uyghurs "camps Multiple news organizations have published high quality satellite photos of the Chinese concentration camps for ethnic minorities and Muslims, published the tenders for their construction and interviewed both victims and former jailers who have fled the country. Chinese officials on record boast about the 100s of thousands they have imprisone…

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