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Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by msephton » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

ddingus wrote: post #10

samwestdev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be bundled with the emulator. The user could provide it.

Apple could supply those ROMS perhaps. They won't, but it seems a shame to ignore their own heritage. Now, from Apple's point of view? That's old news, and the future is more compelling. Totally get it. But it is stuff like this which keeps the iPad in the catagory of "toddlers toy" for me personally. It's really nice hardware too. I own one. Was given to me. It really did end up being used as an excellent toddler to…

In the past Apple made old versions of their classic system available for free. Notably that included 7.5.3 which is what I use https://web.archive.org/web/19991002011823/http://download.i...

I would have to check about ROM files!

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by JKCalhoun » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:49 PM UTC

ofrzeta wrote: post #19

JKCalhoun wrote: post #8

Very cool. I got MinivMac running on the Raspberry Pi — with a 7" LCD display I made pretty convincing "classic Mac" running on modern hardware. I may have to revisit it. I was able to get THINK C installed and was trying to figure out again how to open/compile one of the old apps that I had written back in the late 80's. The thought of writing Mac "Toolbox" code again, using ResEdit is hilarious to me. EDIT: wow, gu…

That MinivMac Raspberry Pi looks nice. I don't quite get from your post who made it. EDIT: nevermind, after cyberstalking you a little bit I found some more info: https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/systemsix-a-modern-ho... , https://www.engineersneedart.com/systemsix/systemsix.html

Yeah I did two similar projects — the first just setting up the emulator.

But when I wrote an e-ink calendar that looked like the old Mac OS, I made a simplified version of the "enclosure" I had done for the earlier emulator.

So they look similar but differ in function (and scale, the e-ink display is smallish so had to scale down the compact Mac accordingly).

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by msephton » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:51 PM UTC

0x38B wrote: post #20

A sibling post shows UltraPaint running on his iPad Pro: https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2021/04/17/turning-an-ipad-p...

I use a mix of apps but these days use mostly Deneba artWORKS, which is essentially an enhanced UltraPaint or a cutdown Canvas 3.x depending on your point of view. Their plugins can all be shared. I have another blog post about that. https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2021/04/25/mixing-external-t...

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by msephton » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:52 PM UTC

Maursault wrote: post #3

Excellent, amazing, incredible, best emu for Mac 68k ever, but can never get on the AppStore (boo AppStore!); only for developers. Still...

You can install it using AltStore (though without my screen size and scaling modifications) it was hat floats your boat.

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by msephton » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:53 PM UTC

duskwuff wrote: post #9

asvitkine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume the web port of BII should work, though? https://jamesfriend.com.au/projects/basiliskii/BasiliskII-wo...

Or, even better: https://system7.app/

Yes, but you lose the screen size and scaling optimisations and close integration with iOS Files.app

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by msephton » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 1:54 PM UTC

mattkevan wrote: post #14

Followed this guide a while back and got it working - an iPad makes a wonderful classic Mac, especially with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Even thought about getting an iPad mini and putting it in a Mac Plus enclosure, but the fact I’d need a developer account put me off somewhat, couldn’t be bothered to keep rebuilding the app.

With a developer account it's a once a year rebuild. Without it's once a week unless you automate it with AltStore.

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by ddingus » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:02 PM UTC

msephton wrote: post #21

ddingus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple could supply those ROMS perhaps. They won't, but it seems a shame to ignore their own heritage. Now, from Apple's point of view? That's old news, and the future is more compelling. Totally get it. But it is stuff like this which keeps the iPad in the catagory of "toddlers toy" for me personally. It's really nice hardware too. I own one. Was given to me. It really did end up being used as an excellent toddler to…

In the past Apple made old versions of their classic system available for free. Notably that included 7.5.3 which is what I use https://web.archive.org/web/19991002011823/http://download.i... I would have to check about ROM files!

I did not know. Spiffy!

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by Maursault » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 6:02 PM UTC

msephton wrote: post #24

Maursault wrote: post #3

Excellent, amazing, incredible, best emu for Mac 68k ever, but can never get on the AppStore (boo AppStore!); only for developers. Still...

You can install it using AltStore (though without my screen size and scaling modifications) it was hat floats your boat.

I'd much rather that Apple relaxed its position on emulators and old software. I think if someone figured out a way to compromise iOS and variants using nearly 40yo software run in an emulator, this would be an amazing feat, and ultimately only serve to make the host OS more secure, stable and resilient. I also think the copyright argument is stillborn because there is no market for 40yo software, so copyright holders are no longer able to earn from it no matter what happens.

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by midislack » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

ddingus wrote: post #10

samwestdev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be bundled with the emulator. The user could provide it.

Apple could supply those ROMS perhaps. They won't, but it seems a shame to ignore their own heritage. Now, from Apple's point of view? That's old news, and the future is more compelling. Totally get it. But it is stuff like this which keeps the iPad in the catagory of "toddlers toy" for me personally. It's really nice hardware too. I own one. Was given to me. It really did end up being used as an excellent toddler to…

When Steve came back to Apple he had ALL lab prototypes destroyed. ALL.

Re: Building Basilisk II for iOS (2021)

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Post by 0x38B » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 9:35 PM UTC

msephton wrote: post #23

0x38B wrote: post #20

A sibling post shows UltraPaint running on his iPad Pro: https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2021/04/17/turning-an-ipad-p...

I use a mix of apps but these days use mostly Deneba artWORKS, which is essentially an enhanced UltraPaint or a cutdown Canvas 3.x depending on your point of view. Their plugins can all be shared. I have another blog post about that. https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2021/04/25/mixing-external-t...

Thanks for the link. I never used MacOS back in the day, but it looks beautiful running on the iPad. I used iPads from the first to the 2017 Pro model as my primary computers on the go, but the lack of a terminal and Unix tools (zsh, rsync, openssh) did them in for me. I miss the the Apple Pencil, which I found fantastic for drawing.

Do you have any videos of you drawing on the iPad in artWORKS or UltraPaint? Would love to see it, since I don't have an iPad to try it on.