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Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by nerdponx »

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Emphasizing hiring of groups that have been traditionally discriminated against absolutely has a different moral character from discriminating against those people.

There are a variety of ways to argue against the former practice, but to draw equivalence with the latter practice is dishonest and/or willfully ignorant.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

As someone who's spent time in countries where discrimination is rampant, i can tell you my personal opinion that it is not different at all.

In fact, that is a dangerous trend in liberal America that needs to be debated on its merits (or lack thereof).

You can't FORCE these things by doing the exact thing you stand against.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by azangru »

thrown_22 wrote: post #6
aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

> How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit? Companies like reddit haven't been sued enough for it to sink in that this is discrimination yet.

> Companies like reddit haven't been sued enough for it to sink in that this is discrimination yet.

Assuming that courts would uphold that it is discrimination. Which, in today's climate, I am not even sure would happen.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by dominotw »

> and candidates aged 50 or above.

Ageism is so bad they didn't even bother include the complete sentence in the headline.

My main 'career goal' at the moment is find an exit path out of software development. Nothing else really matters. Its now or never.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by yalogin »

Infosys is based in India and so naturally they get a lot of candidates of Indian origin. That is just how referrals work. May be they wanted to hire diverse candidates but the huge issue is the ask about not hiring women with children and people over 50. I wonder how common this is in the valley, particularly not hiring people over 50

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by thrown_22 »

azangru wrote: post #13
thrown_22 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit? Companies like reddit haven't been sued enough for it to sink in that this is discrimination yet.

> Companies like reddit haven't been sued enough for it to sink in that this is discrimination yet. Assuming that courts would uphold that it is discrimination. Which, in today's climate, I am not even sure would happen.

Given the current supreme court you'd be making a truly terrible bet.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by newsclues »

Huh1337 wrote: post #9
aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

Both are discriminatory, but one is virtuous and the other is bad?

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Post by [deleted] »

newsclues wrote: post #17
Huh1337 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

Both are discriminatory, but one is virtuous and the other is bad?

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by belorn »

Huh1337 wrote: post #9
aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

The classical view about violence. It is good when its done against bad people, bad when its done against good people. The world has no place for pacifists.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by Drakim »

newsclues wrote: post #17
Huh1337 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

Both are discriminatory, but one is virtuous and the other is bad?

It can be a bad thing and still the best option you got, a lesser of two evils. I don't think anybody should lose out on a opportunity because some minority quota needs to be filled, but I also don't think minorities and discriminated groups should live in a perpetual self-reinforcing unhirability loop either.
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