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Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by atoav »

sprash wrote: post #9

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> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization

[citation needed]

I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current German governments plans regarding internet and surveilance. What is the purpose of a state sponsoring a group that ridicules their badly thought out policies on a regular basis? If I were a state I would not sponsor people that constantly show my policies to be of farcially bad quality, but hey, maybe this makes sense in your world.

Next we could go for the term "terrorist organization". In Germany we have a Verfassungsschutzbericht ("Report of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution") which lists all the violent or terrorist acts on a yearly basis. The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is and has been known to be overyly critical of left wing organizations (so much for "state sponsored" antifa) while being blind to right wing violence like a literal murder series (NSU complex), also because the early officers working at that organization had Nazi roots. STILL the report of that organization shows that right wing terrorism is magnitudes more common and deadly than any left wing violence. So if Antifa is a terrorist group, they are not very good at terrorism, because they don't seem to have a lot of impact in the real physical world that anybody can measure. Leftist violence is mostly against property or rightwing opponents. Right wing violence is against intellectuals, writers, journalists, migrants, politicians and of course leftists. Or you know, maybe the whole terrorism label is a bit far fetched for what I perceived as a more or less disorganized mess of leftist splintergroups full of edgy teens.

So we have a wrong claim of state sponsorship and a wrong claim of "terrorism", which mean I would not be too confident in the third point you are making there.

The CCC certainly leans left. So what? A lot of educational elite groups in Central Europe do. That is quite normal. If you were to ask the CCC they'd probably argue that in the US hackers are surprisingly comfy to be that close to the intelligence community and the state (which is precisely what you accuse the CCC of by being "state sponsored").

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by farhaven »

larodi wrote: post #7
lima wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed in principle, but 37C3 is a volunteer-run event. Admission fees are low and (barely) cover expenses.

Volunteering is a very tricky and shady business. If it was not - we’d all be volunteering and getting paid without tax. There’s a reason for some limits in volunteering laws whenever they exist in a country. I bet the same people running this whole thing are also very well paid techies. Not sure about the volunteers though. And third, not last, the fact something is run by volunteers does not change it’s nature - it…

Actually, there aren't really subcontractors. There _is_ a registered company called CCC Veranstaltungs Gmbh (CCC Events Inc.) which more-or-less owns a lot of the equipment (sound stages, lighting, ...) and nominally rents the venues and such, so that if the conference goes bust, there's a legal entity that can go bankrupt instead of individuals, but that's about it.

Food stalls are not hired by the CCCV GmbH, they pay to be there (and in turn get to dictate their prices), video streaming and such is handled by FEM e.V. (a non-profit that specializes in this kinda stuff) and is not paid (except for expenses, I think, but I don't have insights into that part of the finances) and truck drivers and such are actually volunteers.

"The people running this thing" are also volunteers. They do get a bit of money as an exchange for having to take unpaid vacations way in advance of the event for organizing stuff, but it's a far cry from "well paid". It's more of a "here's enough to not go broke on rent and food".

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by O__________O »

q3k wrote: post #16
O__________O wrote: post #15

Anyone have links to prior examples of submission that resulted in presentation with a link to the presentation too? Here are two blog post on suggestions for researching and submitting security conference proposals: https://medium.com/katies-five-cents/writing-infosec-confere... https://sroberts.medium.com/building-better-security-present...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/ https://media.ccc.de/b/congress/2019

Thanks, just to make sure I am not missing anything, those are examples of presentations, but the proposals that were submitted for them are not provided, right?

Looking for them myself, found to guides to research and submitting proposals which I added to the original request for examples; neither though appear to provide actual submission examples.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by sprash »

farhaven wrote: post #20
sprash wrote: post #9

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You mean the CCC that was founded in the rooms of leftist newspaper TAZ at a table that was stolen from the anarcho-left commune "Kommune 1"? If you don't understand that the CCC is and has always been anti-fascist, you're way off the path, friend. Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by 6stringmerc »

>We also welcome submissions that present a theoretical reflection on the impact of new technologies on artistic practices and forms of expression.

Finally, the perfect forum to deliver my perspective of ML and AI current state of music and the outlook for the next 1, 3, and 5 years. There will be a lot of hurt feelings. It will be very constructive however and show the roadmap between artists and engineers that is yet to develop in earnest and can potentially be the next largest US cultural export.

To use a simile, the current level of ML/AI music is about on par with a precocious elementary student with a basic understanding of an Akai MPC. That’s why you can listen to 1,000 of them and maybe one resembles a not-bad song. Not bad is not good mind you. It just means it’s not physically offensive / unlistenable to humans.

One of the hardest lessons for non-creative people to learn about the how of what I do need to understand creativity is inherently rule breaking. Derivative art - like that hack warhol’s Prince portrait- have a limited impact overall. Coming back from crazy town with a handful of cool images nobody has seen before like Dali? Now we’re talking!

There is hope in the sector, but unfortunately for the tech realm, you’re doomed unless you reconfigure your development approach to have 60% of the brain pathways look like spaghetti designed by a coked up ambitious chimp with Visio. I’ll have to dig it up but I heard guitar sales in the US increased during the pandemic…same basic design since the log.

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