Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a communication issue though, just explain to them how important it is for you to focus uninterrupted and hopefully they'll respect you.
In general I agree, but if your partner isn’t used to that type of work they don’t really get it. Nor do they understand how a simple question can ruin an entire train of thought. edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt... Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a k…
Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
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Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find myself thinking just what you wrote every day of my married existence: it's unnatural to be in a state of pending interruption at all times.
This is why I loathe interacting with my mother. Love her but could never have her live with me. She had a stroke and doesn't realize she calls at the wrong times during business hours and how she's inconsiderate. Plus, her personality changed and she only brings perfunctory, negative, demanding, and judgmental interactions out-of-the-blue. Can't really talk to her about anything because her mental capacity isn't gre…
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a communication issue though, just explain to them how important it is for you to focus uninterrupted and hopefully they'll respect you.
In general I agree, but if your partner isn’t used to that type of work they don’t really get it. Nor do they understand how a simple question can ruin an entire train of thought. edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt... Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a k…
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a communication issue though, just explain to them how important it is for you to focus uninterrupted and hopefully they'll respect you.
In general I agree, but if your partner isn’t used to that type of work they don’t really get it. Nor do they understand how a simple question can ruin an entire train of thought. edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt... Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a k…
Ask her to imagine that her job is to do multiplication problems involving not-even-large (three digits, let's say) numbers without writing down any of the steps (so, mental math). She should be able to recognize that this is doable, but with a higher-than-average amount of concentration to keep track of the intermediate values, and that any breaks in concentration will very likely result in having to start over. Now tell her to imagine what "starting over" would mean if there were very large numbers involved, and lots of them.
Alternatively, you can relate it to an orgasm. Suppose she lays down to masturbate, and if she were allowed to continue without interruption it will take her . Let's say this time it's 7 minutes. Instead, though, at 6 and a half minutes in, someone rings the doorbell, and it's something where she has to stop and answer, but she can continue once the interruption is taken care of. So she was what would have been 30 seconds away before being interrupted. Ask her: does that mean she can just lay back down, pick up where she left off, and then 30 seconds later, boom, orgasm?
Another thing you could do is show her a piece of legislation and point out all the nested conditions. Have her read it to evaluate whether some use case is/isn't prohibited/punishable/protected/etc., forcing her to keep track of what it's saying to understand whether some condition holds at any given point.
Approach #4: just ask her if she's ever been out somewhere with a long stretch of idle time (example: at a laundromat waiting for her clothes to dry, or having lunch) and pulled out a book to start reading, but someone in the vicinity (who she's less interested in talking to than reading) tries to make conversation. They chat for a few minutes and then stop, and then when she reaches the next page, the other person says something else, so then they chat for a minute or so and then stop, and then a minute or two later the other person says something else, etc.
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#35(At least until we achieve fully automated luxury gay space communism, but in the meantime we're subject to the material conditions in which we live - and those conditions, at least for those of us in the working class, currently necessitate doing work which is unimportant in the grand scheme of things but pays us money with which we support our existences)
There's also the issue of importance being arbitrary and relative. For example, I created a scripting language for Erlang/OTP applications. If you're looking for a scripting language for your Erlang/OTP applications (and you happen to think that Tcl's syntax is the best thing since sliced bread, and can tolerate the fact that my work is very unfinished), that might be very important to you. To the vast majority who don't know what the actual fuck "scripting language", "Erlang", "OTP", and/or "application" mean, that's almost certainly entirely unimportant to them. What's (possibly, at risk of over-inflating my ego) revolutionary in my niche is entirely irrelevant to how nearly everyone around me will know me beyond "that YellowApple guy was pretty good with computers". Is that niche accomplishment really more important than how I treat those around me? Would I rather be remembered as "some reclusive asshole who was smart with computers" or "a beloved friend who put others before himself"? The example about writing letters is perfect; I procrastinate on responding to texts/calls/etc. from friends and family all the time, and I absolutely hate myself for it because I do love my friends and family and it hurts me to know that I'm hurting them by being an unreliable shut-in.
For some of us - hell, probably most of us - the "biggest thing" on which we can work is being the best human we can be to those around us. It's easy to forget that in a ruthlessly capitalist society like the one in which I and most other folks live (in general, let alone the subset reading Paul Graham's blog posts). Sometimes being that best human means sacrificing personal relationships for some revolutionary thing that'll improve the lives of hundreds or thousands or millions or even billions of people. Other times it means forgiving interruptions by loved ones, and treasuring those human connections over whatever mental state you just lost. Sometimes that might even mean figuring out how to reconcile the two, e.g. by writing down your thoughts as they occur so that interruptions by loved ones are less catastrophic to your workflow. What matters is whether what we do maximizes the positive impact on the world around us, and for most of us that maximization is realistically more likely to happen by supporting those around us and fostering mutually-healthy human relationships than discarding them in favor of self-important endeavors.
Put more succinctly: determining whether procrastination is "good" or "bad" is doomed to inaccuracy if we're unable to examine ourselves from the outside-in and put our own notions of what's important into perspective - and irrelevant if we're unable to fulfill the "unimportant" dependencies of human existence necessary to accomplish those important things.
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"Ye are the light of the world, a city set upon a mount is not able to be hid; nor do they light a lamp, and put it under the measure, but on the lamp-stand, and it shineth to all those in the house; so let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and may glorify your Father who [is] in the heavens." -- Matthew 5:14-16, YLT
I know not everyone here puts much stock into Bible quotes, but this one comes to mind after reading the essay and writing out my thoughts above. The important things (good works) are those which positively impact (shine light before) as many as possible, to as high of a degree as possible. You don't need to believe in some sky wizard to see the value of being remembered as a good person who left the world better than one found it.
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#36I find this to be the absolute hardest part of living with someone. You’re at the mercy of their ability to interrupt you and I find it incredibly demoralizing.
The shape and color of the dots borrowed from Brazilian steak houses where they have markers used to indicate whether the people serving various cuts of meat should stop by your table.
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#37I find this to be the absolute hardest part of living with someone. You’re at the mercy of their ability to interrupt you and I find it incredibly demoralizing.
After a number of frustrating episodes for my wife and I, we came up with a plan. At my home office desk, I've got a 5x7 index card with a big red dot on one side and a big green dot on the other , which I use to communicate whether I'm interruptible. When green is showing, she's free to chime in about any random thing. When red is showing, it needs to be some kind of emergency. This has help us maintain domestic pea…
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#38I find this to be the absolute hardest part of living with someone. You’re at the mercy of their ability to interrupt you and I find it incredibly demoralizing.
After a number of frustrating episodes for my wife and I, we came up with a plan. At my home office desk, I've got a 5x7 index card with a big red dot on one side and a big green dot on the other , which I use to communicate whether I'm interruptible. When green is showing, she's free to chime in about any random thing. When red is showing, it needs to be some kind of emergency. This has help us maintain domestic pea…
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a communication issue though, just explain to them how important it is for you to focus uninterrupted and hopefully they'll respect you.
In general I agree, but if your partner isn’t used to that type of work they don’t really get it. Nor do they understand how a simple question can ruin an entire train of thought. edit: In explaining this to my girlfriend, I showed her this comic: https://heeris.id.au/2013/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-interrupt... Didn’t make any sense to her. And even after talking about this she doesn’t get that “just coming in for a k…
Healthy relationships rely on mutual trust and mutual understanding.
If you are on this site, I imagine that your ability to be fully present in your job as you practice your craft is important to you. If you're talking about your girlfriend, I imagine that your ability to not be worrying about project timeline delays outside of work hours so you can be fully present with her outside of work hours is important to both of you. I imagine that it is important for you to have a relationship where you trust her to understand you and you trust her not to jump to a conclusion that you are an asshole.
I imagine those things are more important to you than the awkwardness, discomfort, and risk that comes with asking her to have a real serious conversation where you start by saying the things that matter to you.
Re: Good and Bad Procrastination (2005)
#40I used to fear my tendency to procrastinate. I looked at people that were able to just sit down and start typing. I tried to do the same, but it was torture to stare at a blank screen. Whatever method I tried to be productive, I always slipped to procrastination. Finally I realized that what I was doing, was simply letting my subconscious to do the work. When I understood that, everything got a lot easier. No more guilt.
So, when PG writes:
> Someone who has decided to write a novel, for example, will suddenly find that the house needs cleaning. People who fail to write novels don't do it by sitting in front of a blank page for days without writing anything. They do it by feeding the cat, going out to buy something they need for their apartment, meeting a friend for coffee, checking email. "I don't have time to work," they say. And they don't; they've made sure of that.
Personally, I am very much opposite of that. I do both writing and coding and with both activities I first do some research or other base work and the I let myself procrastinate guilt-free. I will clean up the house, empty the dishwasher, walk the dog. Go to the grocery store or solve some simple puzzles. Usually these are stuff that don't really require deep thinking or take up too much time. Then, when I get this "feeling" (inspiration?) - even in the middle of my procrastination - I will sit down and type out the work. Then, rinse and repeat. And somehow I always seem to hit the deadline. Although, I have to admit, I have never tried to write a full novel.