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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by jlokier »

kaapipo wrote: post #200
xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

Umm...? Walk to school by themselves? How old was your eldest, again?

I walked myself to school at age 5. By 10 as in the GP comment, I had a fairly long walk up a hill. By 15 I walked 4.4 miles to school some days, most days I caught a bus. In retrospect biking would have been better. What about you?

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by thefz »

judge2020 wrote: post #106
xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way to ensure them and their accessory partners do not advertise them being on a person regardless of age or relation to the airtag owner. But that's the thing with technology, isn't it? New tech comes out, companies do the right thing, but the freedom of the technology itself enables bad actors to abuse or repurpose the technology. For example…

> Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way

The amount of Apple apologism in this site makes me think sometimes. They "went out of their way" by releasing a dumb Android app which everyone should have to install and know it exists as a band-aid after their technology has been shown to be used to harm and abuse people. They know airtags can be used for crime and don't care.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by oefnak »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #209
School-Cotton wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether people “should” use a particular word is your subjective aesthetic judgment.

The purpose of language is to communicate. Adding words which mean exactly the same thing as existing (shorter) words consumes cognitive resources without enhancing the language's ability to communicate. Therefore, objectively, people shouldn't use them.

You use hard words to say simple thing. This cost a lot of mind power. Why?

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by markdown »

judge2020 wrote: post #106
xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way to ensure them and their accessory partners do not advertise them being on a person regardless of age or relation to the airtag owner. But that's the thing with technology, isn't it? New tech comes out, companies do the right thing, but the freedom of the technology itself enables bad actors to abuse or repurpose the technology. For example…

> it already is normalized and has been for a decade

In use isn't the same as normalised.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by pretext-1 »

thefz wrote: post #212
judge2020 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way to ensure them and their accessory partners do not advertise them being on a person regardless of age or relation to the airtag owner. But that's the thing with technology, isn't it? New tech comes out, companies do the right thing, but the freedom of the technology itself enables bad actors to abuse or repurpose the technology. For example…

> Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way The amount of Apple apologism in this site makes me think sometimes. They "went out of their way" by releasing a dumb Android app which everyone should have to install and know it exists as a band-aid after their technology has been shown to be used to harm and abuse people. They know airtags can be used for crime and don't care.

> They know airtags can be used for crime and don't care.

So can iPhones. Or Androids. Or ski masks, lock picks, tape. Should we stop selling useful items when they can be abused? Apple did way more to stop the abuse of AirTags than the competition and I don't see anyone complaining about Tile. Almost any tool can be abused or used to hurt someone. Stop trying to shift the blame from the perpetrator to the tool being used.

Also: funny how the US doesn't ban guns even though they were literally invented to kill people but now fight about AirTags.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by unyttigfjelltol »

School-Cotton wrote: post #192
Maursault wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can also just say irregardless.[1] Please stop using that word. [1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/irregardless

Notice that while “etymonline” may not like it, serious dictionaries like OED give its meaning without any value judgments. Because scientists who study language seriously understand that trying to stem the tide of random language change is futile and pointless.

   When a word is nonstandard it means it is “not conforming in pronunciation, grammatical construction, idiom, or word choice to the usage generally characteristic of educated native speakers of a language."[0]
[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by rzzzt »

oefnak wrote: post #213
YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of language is to communicate. Adding words which mean exactly the same thing as existing (shorter) words consumes cognitive resources without enhancing the language's ability to communicate. Therefore, objectively, people shouldn't use them.

You use hard words to say simple thing. This cost a lot of mind power. Why?

"Sometimes words, you no need use but need need for talk talk."

There are prescriptive and descriptive schools of linguistics, with one trying to gently nudge/direct/drive/correct the use of a language, while the other concentrates on documenting it as it happens in the wild.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by thefz »

pretext-1 wrote: post #215
thefz wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way The amount of Apple apologism in this site makes me think sometimes. They "went out of their way" by releasing a dumb Android app which everyone should have to install and know it exists as a band-aid after their technology has been shown to be used to harm and abuse people. They know airtags can be used for crime and don't care.

> They know airtags can be used for crime and don't care. So can iPhones. Or Androids. Or ski masks, lock picks, tape. Should we stop selling useful items when they can be abused? Apple did way more to stop the abuse of AirTags than the competition and I don't see anyone complaining about Tile. Almost any tool can be abused or used to hurt someone. Stop trying to shift the blame from the perpetrator to the tool being…

> Should we stop selling useful items when they can be abused?

No. My points above are:

1: people go out of their way to excuse Apple of any wrongoding, part of it is because of the "cult", part of it because Apple is very good at PR and painting themselves always in a good light

2: Apple has, as usual, done the bare minimum to arginate the problem and hand-waved at it.-

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by entropyie »

kaapipo wrote: post #200
xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

Umm...? Walk to school by themselves? How old was your eldest, again?

Yep, where I am this is completely acceptable also, although not as common as it should be... Often because of judgemental people like you scaring off parents. Children are more capable than they are given credit for in many (mostly US) circles. It also seems that global news has distorted adults' risk calculations... Statistically the biggest risk to my children right now is probably obesity... Which I offset by making sure they have some freedom to roam outside of the car.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

oefnak wrote: post #213
YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of language is to communicate. Adding words which mean exactly the same thing as existing (shorter) words consumes cognitive resources without enhancing the language's ability to communicate. Therefore, objectively, people shouldn't use them.

You use hard words to say simple thing. This cost a lot of mind power. Why?

I have no idea what your point is here. Which, I guess, proves mine.
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