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Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

that whole nanomachines sci fi, e.g. nanobots making grey goo or whatever is not as exciting if you consider cells are alreay microbits made out of protein nanobots

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This reminds me of the brain maggot patient that walked in the ER. After being cleaned up, they died the next morning. Apparently the symbiosis was healthy albeit disgusting. Will be interesting if fungi end up slowing cancers and are actually fighting for the mycobiome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycobiome

From reading Snopes, they say that the patient was in an automobile accident and was taken to hospital. They were cleaned up but died 3 months later. No evidence of symbiosis that I can determine. I presume he got in the accident because of his deteriorating mental state.

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Reminded me: > Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced. (Terence McKenna)

An interesting fact that I learned from the book Metazoa is that biological diversity was greater in the seas than on land, until about 130 million years ago, and then the explosion of diversity on land, at that time and still now, was because of a feedback loop that developed between plants and insects, with the insects allowing greater specialization among the plants, and the greater diversity among plants allowing…

until trees with their wood laid waste to this balance?

at least until fungi figured hoe to break lingin?

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Reminds me of this doctor from Italy who claimed first that cancer and fungi have a close link and patients experience relief by a simple application of baking soda on the affected tumor. He was convicted of manslaughter for a patient who died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullio_Simoncini

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

In a sense that’s very true. However the biggest wrinkle is that most of your cells share a single common ancestor cell. If your body is a community of microbes, it’s mostly a village of close relatives, not a symbiote like coral.

> most of your cells share a single common ancestor cell

We call her LUCA, last universal common ancestor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_common_ancestor

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One of my undergrad research projects involved growing agrobacterium [1], which is a type of bacteria that can induce a de-differentiated tumor tissue in plants. This mechanism is useful for the introduction of exogenous DNA. Tumor tissue can then be transferred to a different media to grow into a typical root system, carrying your new genes along. The bacteria essentially learned to signal to the plant which genes i…

Your comment reminded me of the Zombie ant fungus which is able to control the movements of ants...and makes them move to better environments that fit the growth requirements of the fungus.

When it's done it uses its host to go as high up the forest as possible to find a better position to release its spores more effectively.

What blew my mind was that some ant colonies have learned that the zombie fungi is susceptible to other fungi infections, which they use as kind of a defense mechanism against the zombie fungi infection. They quarantine infected zombie ants and put other fungi next to it because the zombie fungi otherwise leads to potential eradication of the colony due to it having such a huge spreading factor.

That's why a lot of observed colonies in the tropical forests seem to harvest different types of fungi (for food and defense?).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis

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> cancer was such a rare occurrence prior to WWI why do you say that?

Cancer loves sugar. They generally disable the mitochondria and burn glucose in a much less efficient anaerobic process. Areas with malnutrition and lower life expectancy would not grow them very well.

Is there data that supports this? (I don't even know where to look for a query of that sort)

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

I recommend Stanislav Lem’s The Futurological Congress. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/733473.The_Futurological...

Beyond fascinating

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

I recommend Stanislav Lem’s The Futurological Congress. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/733473.The_Futurological... Beyond fascinating

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