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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by fhsm »

xd wrote: post #68
dqpb wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> irregardless Sorry to nitpick, but you can just say regardless.

Thanks, really! I appreciate it.. makes for a far better rant when the spelling/grammar is on point.

As you’ve expressed interest… it seems to me that the nonsense word irregardless (which has become so prevalent as to have a understandable folk sense) arose as a portmanteau of irrespective and regardless. Both are useful words to know.

Perhaps the extent to which one cares about the nonsensical composition of the word irregardless speaks to the same latent disposition that drive preferences among type systems.

Whether “it works but is wrong” is nonsensical is debatable. My grandfather had a llama who duck typed his sexual partners. He was not, in a Darwinian sense, a successful animal but was beloved for his easy going disposition.

Anyway, word are fun.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by CoastalCoder »

jffry wrote: post #97
CoastalCoder wrote: post #91

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Meh, you can say whatever the hell you want. If English actually had language police, I'd press charges against everyone who enters a conversation with "I mean, ..." or "So, ...". [0] But that's only in my little fantasy world :) In the real world, there's no agreed-upon arbiter of "acceptable" English. [0] And the "rule" about omitting final punctuation, in sentences that end with a quote, is stupid and I won't writ…

> If English actually had language police, I'd press charges against everyone who enters a conversation with "I mean, ..." or "So, ..." What about starting a conversation with "Meh" ?

> What about starting a conversation with "Meh" ?

Oh dear.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by mbreese »

reaperducer wrote: post #93
Sporktacular wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. 2) Because you can't turn trackers off, especially when they're in the hold. Read the initial article that started all this, it even says that reason is because of transmissions.

It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. I think that's a little outdated. I flew a few times a few months ago, and the passengers were repeatedly encouraged to hook up to the plane's wifi as soon as we boarded. No announcements were made about turning devices off. Not even during take-off or landing. I'm one of those pe…

> passengers were repeatedly encouraged to hook up to the plane's wifi as soon as we boarded

I think this is to make sure that you have it setup early so any tech support can be handled early and to make sure you can download the airline app to your phone if needed. The aircrew can enable/disable the wifi at will. Next time look to see if it is working at takeoff. I’m honestly not sure if it will be or not, but it used to be a switch in the cabin.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by OJFord »

zwily wrote: post #94
Sporktacular wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. 2) Because you can't turn trackers off, especially when they're in the hold. Read the initial article that started all this, it even says that reason is because of transmissions.

They don’t ask you to turn off all radios during takeoff/landing anymore. Just cellular.

And some large percentage doesn't bother and it's absolutely fine.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by lotsofpulp »

xd wrote: post #99
lotsofpulp wrote: post #98

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https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/locate-family-membe... The Find My functionality to locate friends or family was a thing on phones years before AirTags came out. Google even had a product called Latitude all the way back in 2010 if I recall correctly.

Did you even read my comment.. or did you see Apple product under attack and went for me.

I was responding to

> a phone is not by default a device to track a kid an air tag is

I would be surprised if lots of parents were not using the Find My functionality to track kids with phones before AirTags came out. I also recall mobile networks selling it as an additional service to parents before Apple and Google rolled out their solutions.

Nowadays, even younger kids get Apple Watches for tracking purposes.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by judge2020 »

xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way to ensure them and their accessory partners do not advertise them being on a person regardless of age or relation to the airtag owner.

But that's the thing with technology, isn't it? New tech comes out, companies do the right thing, but the freedom of the technology itself enables bad actors to abuse or repurpose the technology. For example: With advancements in robotic technology, Boston Dynamics' policy to blacklist anyone who puts a gun on their dog does nothing when chinese companies are already selling it as a feature.

You have to note that AirTags are not new. Tile has been around for a while and, if you live in a city, there was a high likelihood someone also has a tile and would be a beacon for your tile's pings, and Tile makes no attempt at preventing human tracking. This isn't a tech being normalized, it already is normalized and has been for a decade. Just as you can be a proponent of advancements in robotics technology while being against their use in war, you can be against anyone recommending 24/7 tracking of humans.

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Post by reaperducer »

mbreese wrote: post #103
reaperducer wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. I think that's a little outdated. I flew a few times a few months ago, and the passengers were repeatedly encouraged to hook up to the plane's wifi as soon as we boarded. No announcements were made about turning devices off. Not even during take-off or landing. I'm one of those pe…

> passengers were repeatedly encouraged to hook up to the plane's wifi as soon as we boarded I think this is to make sure that you have it setup early so any tech support can be handled early and to make sure you can download the airline app to your phone if needed. The aircrew can enable/disable the wifi at will. Next time look to see if it is working at takeoff. I’m honestly not sure if it will be or not, but it us…

Next time look to see if it is working at takeoff.

Considering the number of people glued to their screens during takeoff, if it suddenly stopped working, I think the cabin-wide moaning and groaning would have been obvious.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Sporktacular wrote: post #89
spoonalious wrote: post #79

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Except they don’t because most have onboard wifi now. And most allow Bluetooth headphones, including Lufthansa: Lufthansa: Bluetooth headphones are allowed during every part of the flight.

1) The wifi system is EMC certified and tested with the flight instrumentation. Dozens of different consumer devices are not. 2) Lufthansa "allows it during the entire flight without restriction – even during take-off and landing unless the crew instruct otherwise"( https://bluetoothtechworld.com/can-i-use-bluetooth-headphone... ). In other words, unless you're told to turn it off in the event of some problem, which…

Their wifi system might be, but a 100 phones and tablets, some from reputable manufacturers, some from "10TB tablet apple samsung iphone" sellers from aliexpress, and the system still works.

Imagine planes falling down because a single passenger had a malfunctioning phone on it... the lawsuits against boeing/airbus would be astronomical.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by bombcar »

gbin wrote: post #88
spoonalious wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they don’t because most have onboard wifi now. And most allow Bluetooth headphones, including Lufthansa: Lufthansa: Bluetooth headphones are allowed during every part of the flight.

So clearly this is again an airline using a rule as a "proxy" for something else they want. Like no chewing tobacco... Yeah it is gross but it is probably not a safety issue.

Note that voip calls are prohibited even though you can get internet access. This is because of annoying other customers, not because of safety.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by School-Cotton »

xd wrote: post #62

OT, kinda. My eldest kid is in the final year of UK junior school so finally cut lose to walk to and from school as is culturally acceptable here.. I gave her a phone so she could let us (mum/dad) know she was on her way home from school, deciding to go home to a friends etc.. the school caught wind and apparently it was against school policy so she was disciplined (along with a number of her peers) - the extent of w…

How will the school even know if she has a phone, as long as she keeps it turned off and hidden? She should just keep taking it anyway regardless of the bullshit policy and simply not use it at school.
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