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Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by Gatsky »

bkirkby wrote: post #70

Fwiw I had something akin to the overview effect when I attended a full solar eclipse. I thought I was prepared. I had read up on what to expect because I wanted to make the most of the experience for the kids. I wanted to make sure we observed the "shadow bands" (snake like shadows traversing across single colored surfaces that aren't always visible). Everything did proceed as I expected (including the shadow bands)…

Wow, have never seen an eclipse but get this same feeling from watching cloud shadows move across the hills.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by scalablenotions »

bkirkby wrote: post #70

Fwiw I had something akin to the overview effect when I attended a full solar eclipse. I thought I was prepared. I had read up on what to expect because I wanted to make the most of the experience for the kids. I wanted to make sure we observed the "shadow bands" (snake like shadows traversing across single colored surfaces that aren't always visible). Everything did proceed as I expected (including the shadow bands)…

I had this effect laying on a rooftop as a teenager watching a meteor storm. The meteors were streaking in straight lines across/through the sky. The illusion of the "dome" of the sky was broken, and my senses were directly telling me that Earth is hurtling through space, and these things are zipping by it. It was an almost physical sense of mind expansion.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by ManuelKiessling »

bkirkby wrote: post #70

Fwiw I had something akin to the overview effect when I attended a full solar eclipse. I thought I was prepared. I had read up on what to expect because I wanted to make the most of the experience for the kids. I wanted to make sure we observed the "shadow bands" (snake like shadows traversing across single colored surfaces that aren't always visible). Everything did proceed as I expected (including the shadow bands)…

I guess this cannot have the same effect as what you described, because at the end of the day it is „just a video“ — but this brilliantly, brilliantly done time lapse recording of the night sky, where it’s EARTH that moves, and not the stars in the sky like in all those other videos, really made something click for me: https://youtu.be/1zJ9FnQXmJI

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

ethanbond wrote: post #187
unity1001 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Moreover, the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up was fired by the Ukrainian government because even the govt. found it way too extreme. She is now busy backstabbing her former employers by saying tha…

> All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Which individuals are those? Can you name them? Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough .

> Which individuals are those? Can you name them?

All the mainstream media said iraq has WMDs... it was basically on every european and american tv channel in preparation for the war. Once before that, we heard that iraqi soldiers killed babies... that was a "fun" one too...

Even tony blair admited it (the WMDs) was a lie: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/chilcot-ton...

The same media also reported of the "Ghost of kiyev".. so yeah... surely we must believe them "now".

> Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-...

> Lawmaker Pavlo Frolov said Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion.

> “The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine,” Mr. Frolov said in a Facebook post.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by unity1001 »

ethanbond wrote: post #187
unity1001 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Moreover, the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up was fired by the Ukrainian government because even the govt. found it way too extreme. She is now busy backstabbing her former employers by saying tha…

> All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Which individuals are those? Can you name them? Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough .

> Which individuals are those? Can you name them?

Entire mainstream corporate media, foremost Angloamerican, current US State Dept., CIA, other 3-letter agency top officials, who were the mid-level foot soldiers implementing the lies, the ex top officials of those agencies, who are retired and who are now called 'the intelligence community' now, making 6 figures while working in private think tanks who manufacture and sell those lies, all the privately-owned satellite media with Angloamerican and local neoliberal shareholders, the entire 2003 shtick.

> Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets

They haven't been. BBC, Le Monde or Spiegel are not 'broad, different outlets'. They have been lying about everything along with their big daddy since a long time, including the nonexistent WMDs.

There isn't anything as such in Indian, Indonesian, South American, Vietnamese, Egyptian or South African media. That's broad. Not the outlets who are owned by the same lot.

The below article bluntly demonstrates the falsity of the existence of 'free media' in the capitalist West.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/five-reason...

When your 6 figure salary depends on agreeing with the majority shareholder, you 'just' find reasons to do so.

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Post by towaway15463 »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #170
towaway15463 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. As sentimental and time limited beings we don’t want to see things go extinct since we won’t be able to experience them again or be around to see what comes next. But in the larger picture we’re actually quite tame when it comes to extinction events. At least we are making an effort to limit the damage we’re doing. Space rocks and chemistry can’t do that. In the long run other species will evolve and mayb…

If we domesticate the majority of the planet nothing substantial will evolve without us controlling it. We have replaced a large percentage of wild organic biomass with us and our pets and cattle and farms.

We’re still very far off from that and trending away from using more land in developed countries.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by phantom_of_cato »

bkirkby wrote: post #70

Fwiw I had something akin to the overview effect when I attended a full solar eclipse. I thought I was prepared. I had read up on what to expect because I wanted to make the most of the experience for the kids. I wanted to make sure we observed the "shadow bands" (snake like shadows traversing across single colored surfaces that aren't always visible). Everything did proceed as I expected (including the shadow bands)…

> As I stared up into the heavens, I had this deeply profound realization that our planet is traveling through space like all the other planets.

I genuinely don't understand what would be sad about that. The possibility of the next generation being able to explore at least one of those planets is very real.

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Post by ethanbond »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #204
ethanbond wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Which individuals are those? Can you name them? Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough .

> Which individuals are those? Can you name them? All the mainstream media said iraq has WMDs... it was basically on every european and american tv channel in preparation for the war. Once before that, we heard that iraqi soldiers killed babies... that was a "fun" one too... Even tony blair admited it (the WMDs) was a lie: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/chilcot-ton... The same media also reported of…

Ah yes the spooky “mainstream media” which seems always to somehow say the opposite of what you believe. This is not an addressable concern to be honest. It’s like complaining about “the elites.” Just needs to be more specific.

Also your evidence of Ukraine lying about war crimes is the firing of a woman who lied about war crimes? Sure, people lie, but then that obviously prompts the question of why haven’t all the other people who have been discussing Russian crimes been fired as well (since, as you’re implying, the crimes are fake?)

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Post by ethanbond »

unity1001 wrote: post #205
ethanbond wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Which individuals are those? Can you name them? Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough .

> Which individuals are those? Can you name them? Entire mainstream corporate media, foremost Angloamerican, current US State Dept., CIA, other 3-letter agency top officials, who were the mid-level foot soldiers implementing the lies, the ex top officials of those agencies, who are retired and who are now called 'the intelligence community' now, making 6 figures while working in private think tanks who manufacture an…

Al Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2022/6/21/inside-ukra...

Buenos Aires Times: https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/amp/world/tougher-russia-san...

India at the UN condemned “war crimes in Bucha,” which they stopped short of accusing their strategic partner of, but obviously it wasn’t Ukrainian armed forces walking through Bucha executing civilians, right?

Seems odd to lament the lack of truly free media in the west and then believe even half a word out of Russia’s mouth.

Also FYI, “intelligence community” does not refer to retired government people on the media circuit. It refers to the actual intelligence agencies themselves.

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