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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by CoastalCoder »

jmull wrote: post #72
dqpb wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> irregardless Sorry to nitpick, but you can just say regardless.

If you really like nitpicks: you can also just say irregardless. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/07/887649010/regardless-of-what-...

Meh, you can say whatever the hell you want.

If English actually had language police, I'd press charges against everyone who enters a conversation with "I mean, ..." or "So, ...". [0]

But that's only in my little fantasy world :) In the real world, there's no agreed-upon arbiter of "acceptable" English.

[0] And the "rule" about omitting final punctuation, in sentences that end with a quote, is stupid and I won't write that way. Now get off my lawn!!!

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by jakub_g »

monksy wrote: post #74
jen20 wrote: post #54

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Lufthansa is one of the better ones. Typically I’ve found it better to book tickets via United though.

LH is pretty much the worst of the lot. Their employees will avoid helping you at all cost even when it makes their lives easier. If nothing wrong happens, they're ok. If any thing happens it's your fault. It's been like that for more than 10 years.

I always find those kinds of comments hilarious. Did you actually fly all of the airlines above, or you just hate LH because you normally fly Singapore Airlines? (perspective is important in those discussions).

As a rule of thumb the oldschool companies always suck less than the cheap companies who try to squeeze every penny out of you in every way. (Or have barely enough fuel so they need to call emergency landing once a month, or don't have enough personnel so they live-cancel late evening flights etc)

Now, I had my long list of issues with LH (it's the airline I fly the most because simply there's no other connection to places I want to go): missed connections, late bags on short connection, cancelled flights, late arrival etc. (By definition, airlines who do connections have higher risk of this than point-to-point cheap airlines.)

But every time I managed to get a workable solution to the issue, rebooking at no extra cost, money back quickly after a big delay etc. And no one ever looks whether my bags are not 1mm too big.

Meanwhile with a cheap airlines I had what you were explaining: once the website was not able to give me a boarding card. It was inactive or something. I arrive at the airport and show it to them live, they say sorry f.ck you, pay $$$ for printing boarding card at the airport. You should have called our hotline at $$$ per minute.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by reaperducer »

Sporktacular wrote: post #66
gambiting wrote: post #63

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So why is it fine for literally every single passanger to have bluetooth headphones on during the duration of the flight, but somehow trackers are bad?

1) It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. 2) Because you can't turn trackers off, especially when they're in the hold. Read the initial article that started all this, it even says that reason is because of transmissions.

It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions.

I think that's a little outdated.

I flew a few times a few months ago, and the passengers were repeatedly encouraged to hook up to the plane's wifi as soon as we boarded. No announcements were made about turning devices off. Not even during take-off or landing. I'm one of those people who pays attention to the announcements and reads the safety cards every time, so I was surprised.

I think the airlines think it's safer to have excitable people turned into gadget zombies during the flight to make the time pass faster and keep them from getting rowdy. The same function that the in-flight movie, drink, and meal used to serve before those were all value engineered away.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by zwily »

Sporktacular wrote: post #66
gambiting wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why is it fine for literally every single passanger to have bluetooth headphones on during the duration of the flight, but somehow trackers are bad?

1) It's not. They ask people to switch off all transmitters during flights (and later to during takeoff and landing) because of RF emissions. 2) Because you can't turn trackers off, especially when they're in the hold. Read the initial article that started all this, it even says that reason is because of transmissions.

They don’t ask you to turn off all radios during takeoff/landing anymore. Just cellular.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by mutt2016 »

gbin wrote: post #88
spoonalious wrote: post #79

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Except they don’t because most have onboard wifi now. And most allow Bluetooth headphones, including Lufthansa: Lufthansa: Bluetooth headphones are allowed during every part of the flight.

So clearly this is again an airline using a rule as a "proxy" for something else they want. Like no chewing tobacco... Yeah it is gross but it is probably not a safety issue.

Flying is among the most dreadful activities I do. The whole thing is unsettling from the moment I pull up to the airport.

This is one of many absolutely ridiculous things the airline industry has enforced.

But.. I must fly places, so I just suffer like the rest.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by 8note »

Sporktacular wrote: post #89
spoonalious wrote: post #79

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Except they don’t because most have onboard wifi now. And most allow Bluetooth headphones, including Lufthansa: Lufthansa: Bluetooth headphones are allowed during every part of the flight.

1) The wifi system is EMC certified and tested with the flight instrumentation. Dozens of different consumer devices are not. 2) Lufthansa "allows it during the entire flight without restriction – even during take-off and landing unless the crew instruct otherwise"( https://bluetoothtechworld.com/can-i-use-bluetooth-headphone... ). In other words, unless you're told to turn it off in the event of some problem, which…

Is that certification actually important?

It seems to me like a denylist would be more useful than an Allowlist at this point.

Almost no consumer electronics are dangerous to a plane

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by jffry »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #91
jmull wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you really like nitpicks: you can also just say irregardless. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/07/887649010/regardless-of-what-...

Meh, you can say whatever the hell you want. If English actually had language police, I'd press charges against everyone who enters a conversation with "I mean, ..." or "So, ...". [0] But that's only in my little fantasy world :) In the real world, there's no agreed-upon arbiter of "acceptable" English. [0] And the "rule" about omitting final punctuation, in sentences that end with a quote, is stupid and I won't writ…

> If English actually had language police, I'd press charges against everyone who enters a conversation with "I mean, ..." or "So, ..."

What about starting a conversation with "Meh" ?

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by lotsofpulp »

xd wrote: post #90
dzhiurgis wrote: post #87

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Quoted post unavailable.

Yeah they have I don't disagree .. kids growing up need trust was the point I failed to make.. they need to be able to do things without the fear of being tracked (the adult over the shoulder).. imagine for a second your parents putting an air tag on you as a kid.. depresses me at least. Edit: I'm sorry, you've called me "sus" because of what exactly? I never said I couldn't reason with my kids school.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/locate-family-membe...

The Find My functionality to locate friends or family was a thing on phones years before AirTags came out. Google even had a product called Latitude all the way back in 2010 if I recall correctly.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by xd »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #98
xd wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they have I don't disagree .. kids growing up need trust was the point I failed to make.. they need to be able to do things without the fear of being tracked (the adult over the shoulder).. imagine for a second your parents putting an air tag on you as a kid.. depresses me at least. Edit: I'm sorry, you've called me "sus" because of what exactly? I never said I couldn't reason with my kids school.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/locate-family-membe... The Find My functionality to locate friends or family was a thing on phones years before AirTags came out. Google even had a product called Latitude all the way back in 2010 if I recall correctly.

Did you even read my comment.. or did you see Apple product under attack and went for me.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by judge2020 »

robbiet480 wrote: post #45
Jack5500 wrote: post #7

Except they have. A Lufthansa spokesperson has clarified the new rules for the German news site watson: https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-... It rougly translate to: The device itself is not banned, but has to be shut off during flight. In practice this would mean that you would have to remove the battery from the airtag, since there is no powerswitch. But I will admit that this seems odd an…

That article came out 5 days before the tweet from Ethan Klapper (Senior Aviation Reporter at The Points Guy) [1] referenced in the source article. Lufthansa's latest statement is they are not banned [2]. [1]: https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status/1578453321546801158 [2]: https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status/1578571226934611968

And? That says nothing about whether or not the battery must be removed from the device, which is important due to how much of a hassle that would be.
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