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Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Re: Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

Yes, but with a twist: this giant machine worries about its future, its kids, its wealth, its financial assets.

Or tricked into worrying about that as a control signal to perform its main task in service of its microorganism operators ;)

Re: Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

Reminded me:

> Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced. (Terence McKenna)

Re: Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

In a sense that’s very true. However the biggest wrinkle is that most of your cells share a single common ancestor cell. If your body is a community of microbes, it’s mostly a village of close relatives, not a symbiote like coral.

Ah, I heard quite differently when including microbiome.

For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43674270 "More than half your body is not human"

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Yes, but with a twist: this giant machine worries about its future, its kids, its wealth, its financial assets.

Or tricked into worrying about that as a control signal to perform its main task in service of its microorganism operators ;)

Nobody in this thread has read Selfish Gene, apparently. That's the whole point of the book: That genes may as well have invented all of life to propagate themselves.

In this context, species conflict is like fleets of world-ships fighting total war.

Re: Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Sometimes I wonder if we're just giant machines built by microorganisms. It would certainly make an interesting story, along the idea of a robot discovering they were made by somebody else, which I believe has already been explored

We are all servants of the selfish gene.

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Yes, but with a twist: this giant machine worries about its future, its kids, its wealth, its financial assets.

Or tricked into worrying about that as a control signal to perform its main task in service of its microorganism operators ;)

Which is all subservient to its actual main task of increasing entropy. I've found myself cycling down the street wondering if my actions were all just an elaborate way of increasing entropy more quickly.

Re: Do fungi lurking inside cancers speed their growth?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a sense that’s very true. However the biggest wrinkle is that most of your cells share a single common ancestor cell. If your body is a community of microbes, it’s mostly a village of close relatives, not a symbiote like coral.

Ah, I heard quite differently when including microbiome. For example: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43674270 "More than half your body is not human"

I believe that's incidental. There are abiotic mice which seem basically the same but require smth like 20% more calories in their diet for same metabolic level.
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