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My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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> You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics looks so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, “Look at that, you son of a bitch.” ―Edgar D. Mitchell

Sounds like the effects of LSD.

>> a people orientation

Nope.

>> an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world

No.

>> and a compulsion to do something about it

Lawl, no not all.

>> You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, Look at that, you son of a bitch

No, didn't have that effect on me. You're thinking about meth maybe?

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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With all respect to Shatner (first canadian space tourist iirc) I dont take much from these narratives. A rich/famous/connected person does a thing that we all want to do but cannot afford, something that requires insane amounts of energy/pollution. Then they turn around and talk of the profound experience and how it has made them a better person. Big deal. The pubic good is limited to a few interviews and an article…

Shatner is an actor famously known for staring in star trek which famously uses many of Shakespeare, the most well known bard, themes or outright plots. Further, he's stared in Shakespeare live productions. Even more, so he's made several spoken word lyrical albums. Some of his words immediately after landing are poetic, “I hope I never recover, that I can maintain what I feel now.” They did send a poet.

All in the past. Find and send the next young shatner so that the experience can inform all his work, not just his last few years.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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With all respect to Shatner (first canadian space tourist iirc) I dont take much from these narratives. A rich/famous/connected person does a thing that we all want to do but cannot afford, something that requires insane amounts of energy/pollution. Then they turn around and talk of the profound experience and how it has made them a better person. Big deal. The pubic good is limited to a few interviews and an article…

There's no pollution. New Shepard uses liquid hydrogen and oxygen for fuel, which makes water. No hydrocarbons involved in the launch itself. Fire != Pollution

Where did the hydrogen come from? What powered the machine making the lox? Every watt of energy used by a tourist rocket could be better used reducing emissions elsewhere.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Did your country just send soldiers to Syria when it was thriving independent state? Or was it when there was a brutal civil war and the state used chemical weapons against civilian populations?

Yeah, same as iraq had wmds and afghanistan had to be attacked because some saudis were bad pilots. Yes, my country had soldiers in all the mentioned countries too.

Ooof. It’s pretty clear you’re not interested in a sincere conversation. Have a good weekend!

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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>Somehow occupying sovereign countries and killing kids is a bad thing only when putin does it. If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country, where questionable decisions that caused civilian suffering are widely condemned, a war that saw very large domestic movement against it as it unfolded and another one where rape, torture, slavery, ethnic ge…

> If you don't see a difference between a war where soldiers that rape and pillage are criminals in their own country All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs. Moreover, the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up was fired by the Ukrainian government because even the govt. found it way too extreme. She is now busy backstabbing her former employers by saying tha…

> All of those are claims that are made by the very ones who lied 8 years about nonexistent WMDs.

Which individuals are those? Can you name them?

Re “the Ukrainian minister who made those lies up,” I’d also like a name for that. Russian atrocities have been reported broadly across many outlets, and even Russian media is clamoring that it’s not brutal enough.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Not sure why you're being so downvoted, must be people who haven't read Darwin or know about mass extinction from things like floods and meteorites - like that wiped out most dinosaurs. If we don't get society under "control" - and not through the ideological-tyrannical effort underway globally currently - but through voluntarily taking action through adequate organization of listening to and following competent lead…

It's just literally not true. Species can evolve without their predecessors going extinct?

Fair enough, my dislike of downvotes had me not carefully reading his short comment that I clearly skimmed.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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I gather that tyrannical forces are something our species will continue to deal with for our evolution. I'd counter that tyrannical forces actually spurs humanity in the right direction. I say this because I have notice over the years that our species have been dealing with this problem since the birth of mankind. This is an observation, not a plug for tyranny.

Tyranny generally results in stagnation. It’s a bottleneck. All the power and decisions reduced to a single individual or group of individuals leaves no room for experimentation and growth. Progress becomes single threaded instead of parallel.

Indeed, it kills creativity and passion.

Re: My Trip to Space Filled Me with Overwhelming Sadness

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Not sure why you're being so downvoted, must be people who haven't read Darwin or know about mass extinction from things like floods and meteorites - like that wiped out most dinosaurs. If we don't get society under "control" - and not through the ideological-tyrannical effort underway globally currently - but through voluntarily taking action through adequate organization of listening to and following competent lead…

I gather that tyrannical forces are something our species will continue to deal with for our evolution. I'd counter that tyrannical forces actually spurs humanity in the right direction. I say this because I have notice over the years that our species have been dealing with this problem since the birth of mankind. This is an observation, not a plug for tyranny.

Part of yin-yang cycle.

We've been in a yin-dark ages cycle, relatively slow moving, and will be moving into yang cycle - fast, exponential change. The technological innovation and distribution of technology via automation and capitalism has overlaid the relative stagnancy of this current cycle making it appear to not be a dark age, when clearly, with any critical analysis things are far worse than they could or should be.

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