Live data from Hacker News

U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

reuters.com

301–310 of 329 posts

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example where that's not the case? Jumping around on Google maps to random cities the world over shows buildings that look "kinda like" the ones they're near. Every once in awhile you find a immaculate mansion in the middle of a favela but it's rare.

While I'm sure there's exceptions I'm not aware of, I'm not arguing that it's the case, I'm saying I don't understand the desire for this. That said, in some areas, this could be attributed to economic factors (what materials are commonly available), traditions, or building codes.

Copying from my other response:

"Please take this with an open mind. To the extent I care, it is a mater of aesthetics. I enjoy seeing a less cluttered and more maintained environment. Because they are my neighbor, I see their front yard frequently, as do my visitors.

This is basically the same reason that I don't like it when people litter and leave their garbage in the street, or I don't leave dirty dishes around my house.“

...

Nobody cares if the house next to them looks different but beautiful. What they don't like is houses that appear unkempt or ugly.

In some places this is maintained by City and County ordinances, like that you can't use your yard as a garbage dump. In other places there are more nuanced social expectations and judgments.

There's obviously a wide range to the social expectations. In some places, people won't complain if you fill your yard with cans and bottles. In other places, people might complain if your paint is ugly and your plants are not maintained.

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#302

Years back we rented a flat in a building that housed a lot of retired people. A regulation we weren't aware of was that you weren't allowed to hang anything on the railings of your balcony. On a day off we were cleaning and left a mat we'd washed to dry, hanging over the railing. It wasn't there an hour before we had a delegation at our door of angry elderly residents. They weren't one bit nice about it even after w…

I'm always curious what is it about old people that make some behave in this way? Is it the way people used to be raised, cognitive decline, or simple nothing better to do? I also notice it in the comment's section where older people tend to be far less forgiving of discretions than younger people.

> I'm always curious what is it about old people that make some behave in this way?

It should also be noted that you don't notice the nice old people who leave you alone because they're not in your face complaining. (A type of availability bias?)

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#304
post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dryer did not exists and human have been drying clothes in most climates in the last few thousand of years. Yes, and most of that drying happened outside. Also, moldy rooms and people having to deal with mold were a thing in the past.

I’m sorry but I can’t see a dryer as something else than a luxury. I used one for the first time when I was 30 something, that might be why. Yes sometimes stuff don’t dry so well. Then hang them differently. Take advantage of the sun. Idk . I caved in for the AC: the us climate is different, AC is needed. But for dryer I will stand my snobby European ground :p

It seems to me that you are trying to shift discussion from "should it be allowed to hang cloth outside" and "if I am forced to dry them inside is it good idea to use dryer" into "in a world where I am allowed to hang them inside, is the dryer absolutely necessary".

The answer to your question does not really matter, cause the topic the rest of us discuss is "should drying cloth outside be allowed".

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#305

Quoted post unavailable.

Did you know that communities in Germany have quiet time rules in force around noon? Did you know that in Germany they also have rules about when trash can be set out for collection and how that is to be done? Did you know that the rules I mentioned are enforced with equal vigor as the enforcement rigor you are "You Americans"-ing about?

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always curious what is it about old people that make some behave in this way? Is it the way people used to be raised, cognitive decline, or simple nothing better to do? I also notice it in the comment's section where older people tend to be far less forgiving of discretions than younger people.

Retired people have lots of free time.

This is why they're the largest voting bloc.

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#308
post #93
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might start by explaining why they have to have a lawn. If I was going to park my truck | caravan | boat out the front I'd rather have a well drained raked gravel pan than a lawn growing up through the vehicle, weeds, and dead grass when I drive awy. Aesthetics are a thing after all.

You don’t have to have a lawn. I’m sure your town has codified what is appropriate. Where I live some people have u-shaped driveways on the front and they are “to code”. But you’d be making an appropriate place to park a vehicle. The lawn, if you have one, is certainly not appropriate in most towns.

The town limits here codify setbacks from boundaries for building, maximum height for building, bans on buildup of flammable materials (overgrown dead trees | waist high dead garden grasss), storage of toxic waste (tire dumps, etc) .. and that's pretty much it.

Nothing on paint colour, lawns (required or not | having vehicles on them | etc), licenced vehicle disposition etc.

Most people are house proud, a number of people have very different aesthetic fromn others, some places are clearly butt ugly but that's largely their business.

Town only steps in if something is a rat infested hoarders paradise that might catch alight and belch toxic fumes at an second.

The super intrusive home owners association is largely not a problem here (but it's creeping in to the chagrin of many).

I'm still mystified by your dislike for parking vehicles on lawns, it's not great for the lawn but having neighbours that do this overnight every few days (so they can get spare car from the back, etc) I really cannot see the issue - their lawn is fine and I don't get a queasy feeling looking at it.

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#309

Quoted post unavailable.

"and their law so restrictive in some cases" Note that there was no law against this. "This coming from the country where morons want to own a gun to protect their property and all other bs excuses, it's rather comedic." This is highly inflammatory and disrespectful language and some might see it as trolling to get us off topic. "And she received two anonymous notes from neighbors saying they did not want to see her…

> This is what she says happened. There content of the note is not provided, they didn't reach out to the officials, they didn't interview neighbors.

Yes, and? I find it plausible something like that happened based on my own experiences here. I see minimal incentive for her to lie. This isn't a court: that's enough for me to assume it true for the purpose of idle commentary.

> But for every story of bad neighbors doing this, there are orders of magnitude more unreported stories of neighbors helping each other.

That's consistent with there being a serious problem. You can't compare "raw number of bad things" to "raw number of good things" like that. Trivial example: if 4% of a neighborhood is shot at that's a neighborhood with a big shooting problem.

Re: U.S. residents fight for the right to hang laundry (2009)

#310

Quoted post unavailable.

> For the pic seems to be her home, her property and she can't even hang her clothes to dry. Sure, but there's limits to what you can display on your front lawn without annoying the neighbours, no? As per the pic in the article, she's handing her clothing in the front yard , which, even in a country where drying-by-hanging is the norm, is still considered tacky and stupid.[1] Now, maybe she doesn't have a backyard, o…

> As per the pic in the article, she's handing her clothing in the front yard, which, even in a country where drying-by-hanging is the norm, is still considered tacky and stupid.

Not in Scotland. In smaller towns you'll even see poles installed next to the sidewalk to hang your laundry in public.

Post reply on HN