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Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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If you stick it in the middle, it’s out of range. Unless you have some super powered scanner perhaps

If it is not connectable you won't locate your luggage either

They report in via Bluetooth, not NFC.

My phone won’t scan one from more than a few inches, but I can locate them with Find My iPhone 20+ feet off.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#62
post #23

Next headline: Lufthansasa installs faraday cages in all their cargo holds

TBH, that seems the more reasonable way of dealing with it. If they are truly worried about transmissions while in flight, then yeah do that. Once the luggage is on the ground and unloaded the AirTags will still work. Seems like a win win for everyone — if what they say about in flight transmissions is the real reason.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #35

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I do see how they'd find it bothersome. Imagine what it must be like that the situation before was: "Oh no my baggage is lost!" "Oooh that's rough! We'll let ya know!" then nothing. Where now what it might be like is: "Oh no my baggage is lost at XYZ airport at your terminal" and that accountability is somewhat forced now because they can't just say it wasn't found or it is 'in transit' when it really isn't.

So inconvenient for them to do what they were contracted to do: fly you and your luggage from A to B. Can’t they just get free money?

You might get money for your troubles if your flight or luggage is delayed. For luggage being lost the maximum liability is $3,800 for domestic flights and about $1,800 for international flights

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/what-travelers-need-to-know-...

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #25

For all the people commenting "How would they know?", AirTags are scannable by NFC readers and identify themselves as an AirTag. You can test this yourself by downloading the NFC Tools app on your iPhone (or one for Android) and doing a read on the AirTag. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nfc-tools/id1252962749

NFC has a range of around 5cm and has nothing to do with how AirTags work for tracking purposes. Do you really think AirTags only update their location when someone with an iPhone comes over to intentionally scan it?

Even if you bury the AirTag in the middle of the luggage, it will still be trackable, but NFC will absolutely not come even close to reaching it.

They’re not going to have off the shelf equipment capable of locating an AirTag quickly enough to matter even if they can tell there are AirTags somewhere in the general vicinity of the luggage area. That’s just not how any of this works.

Whether the rule itself is ridiculous or not, as others have pointed out, the main benefit seems to be that they can tell customers to stop bothering them about luggage that they’ve lost.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #28
post #16

> This is specifically because of the transmission function. Lufthansa claims that the transmission function needs to be turned off during flight when in checked luggage, just as is required for cell phones, laptops, etc. While this is negligible and I can see a lot of people saying "Well who cares it's just one" if you imagine a lot of interference from a lot of baggage with them on a flight.. I haven't tested, but…

>All carriers, switching to airplane mode is a federal requirement on U.S. domestic flights. How many people do you think actually do this. (I mostly do, when I remember.) If it's actually a problem, the FAA would be dealing with it other than hoping passengers individually pressed all the right buttons.

I'd be a little surprised if 50% of cell phone owners even know how to turn on Airplane Mode.

Yes, I know it's usually right there on a screen you'd think they'd look at pretty often.

I stand by that.

Beyond that, several on every flight who might do it, will forget to, and several more just don't give a fuck. Despite this I've never once seen anyone get hassled over it.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#67
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you stick it in the middle, it’s out of range. Unless you have some super powered scanner perhaps

if its out of range, its not much use as an airtag. circular logic

NFC and Bluetooth have different ranges. AirTags use both for different purposes.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#68

There could be non-cynical motives for airlines not to want customers to be able to track their baggage. Getting weird enquiries about whether bags have been stolen because they are in some unexpected non-airport location, when it's just a place the airline uses to handle delayed baggage, is probably troublesome for them.

Is it just me or is that even more cynical?

Moving my belongings to an off-site location is _precisely_ the sort of thing I'd want to be notified of, and if the airline doesn't feel that I deserve to know that, ahh, well. That would be problematic.

I appreciate that you're trying to find alternate explanations, and it's my first impulse to do the same, but I've been racking my brain and I just can't come up with any. This one isn't better, it's worse.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#69
Isn't it a case of false information?

I thought the tags communicated with nearby Bluetooth devices that have gps, which there should be none active nearby lost luggage... so people would scream that their luggage is somewhere around while the location is in fact outdated?

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#70
post #16

> This is specifically because of the transmission function. Lufthansa claims that the transmission function needs to be turned off during flight when in checked luggage, just as is required for cell phones, laptops, etc. While this is negligible and I can see a lot of people saying "Well who cares it's just one" if you imagine a lot of interference from a lot of baggage with them on a flight.. I haven't tested, but…

These things are bluetooth at only 2.8 mw UWB in the GHz range[1]. Anything with that power at that band in an aluminum walled cargo hold is probably nil: kitchen foil attenuates 80 dB over 100 Mhz [2] and bulkheads are much thicker.

So yeah it's not for technical reasons.

1. https://fccid.io/BCGA2187

2. http://www.aluminium-foil.org/aluminum-foil-for-electromagne...

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