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Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

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Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#251
I knew a guy who used to install metal roofs in farm country. In his late 30s he got a nasty job site injury and his boss screwed him out of workers comp. He'd always had a passive interest in computers and decided to get some certs at the local community college and start his career in IT. Messing around with scripting at his first job as a Junior Sys Admin he decided he liked coding more and became a software engineer. He's now in his 50s and a staff engineer at a unicorn.

It can be done. I would focus less on hours and more on just finding something you can stick with and develop professionally.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#253

The Gladwell book is so bad it's laughable. It's a gross misrepresentation of the work of Anders Ericsson, with completely unfounded extrapolations. So bad it prompted Ericsson to get a non-academic writer to work with him to write his own popular science version of his work, which is titled "Peak". Outliers is the worst example I know of of popular authors bending facts to make a narrative they want to tell. In a nu…

Have you actually read Outliers? Gladwell was very specific about practice, and how deliberate it needs to be. He emphasized the way the Beatles used their gig time as practice.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#254

The Gladwell book is so bad it's laughable. It's a gross misrepresentation of the work of Anders Ericsson, with completely unfounded extrapolations. So bad it prompted Ericsson to get a non-academic writer to work with him to write his own popular science version of his work, which is titled "Peak". Outliers is the worst example I know of of popular authors bending facts to make a narrative they want to tell. In a nu…

Have you actually read Outliers? Gladwell was very specific about practice, and how deliberate it needs to be. He emphasized the way the Beatles used their gig time as practice.

Yes I have, cover to cover. And it led me on to reading the original sources and then getting disgusted with Gladwell's shoddy job.

Your example says it all.... gig time as practice is something only a non-musician and/or someone who really doesn't understand practice would say. He gives air time to the idea of deliberate practice and then uses examples that show how that he doesn't get it. AT ALL. I can only assume he came up with the Beatles example and thought it was such a compelling story that he was determined not to let the facts get in the way. Ericsson goes over his criteria for what deliberate practice is.... and nightly gigs are not it in the least!

Read Ericsson and I'll be you will get disillusioned as did I.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#255
>asserting that the key to achieving true expertise in any skill is simply a matter of practicing.

It's been a while since I read it, but my takeaway was that the depth of familiarity brought about by 10k hours of practice in an area was just one factor of many that contributed to success. You need all those other factors in addition to the 10k hours.

I think it's just humans with our predictable penchant for distilling accurate nuance down to adjacent-but-inaccurate bullet points that created the idea that 10k hours is all it takes.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#256
As someone who is a coder:

My "career" switches with each job. I go from Defense, to Logistics, to Mathematics, to Systems Software, to now Databases.

I'm not trained in all these to 10,000 hours. I have 25+ years at this, and I still have to learn at every job when I start.

So, the most important thing is the core. The very core competencies of a programmer:

- Rigor - You must be willing to rigorously think things through.

- Mathematics - With the above, most of what a computer does is... math in the end. Algerbra is probably the most essential, ironically. Followed by Discrete Math. The rest is all nice to have.

- A bit of "Computer Science". Learning algorithms, what O(n) means, etc. This helps you understand how to think.

Note: I never mentioned a computer language.

A computer language is how you take all the above and turn it into something.

You should work on learning a few. But honestly, one you know 2 languages, you know 90% of all languages, and can read most code.

The languages I'd suggest: Python, and C.

People will curse me for C. But honestly for understanding how a computer works at a low level, there is no better language, it strips away the bullshit and leaves you to deal with the machine, but it doesn't force your nose into assembly, which is probably a bit much for a young programmer.

Python, is what you learn to do "real work". I interview in Python, Python and Python... and maybe a bit of Python. There's a reason. It is a language that you can really get things done in quickly, and manipulate things easily. It is the "anti-C" in many ways :).

One can argue for Java also. But really, Java is miserable without an IDE, and the machine does so much coding for you, I think it is a bad early language. Once you know the first two... I think it is a great one to pick up.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#257

Sam Walton was about 45 when he started walmart. I've made career pivots several times, most recently this year, at age ~39. Just do whatever you're interested in... major pivots require the willingness and stamina to drink from a firehouse, so keep that in mind.

Walton's story is the opposite of the OP. Walton was in retailing for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Walton

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#258
post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you can’t afford to change, that answers the question. In my personal experience the greatest challenge is always oneself and not external factors. So your advice to drop all self-help is wrong in my opinion. There are people who made it against all odds and their mindset may crave the necesseary pathways in your brain as well. I would even say that the more the odds are stacked against you the more you should tr…

I personally suspect more people are harmed by self help books etc than helped. Which circles back to the kind of advice I would give someone. It’s easy to fall into the trap of assuming reading advice is inherently beneficial but it needs to result in some net positive behaviors or it’s just wasting time, money, and mental effort.

I suspect a self help guru like Tony Robbins would have actually given similar advice to the root commenter - to consider your options and then to get off the couch and do something.

Lumping all self-help resources into not being useful or even harmful doesn't help. There will always be some quacks, but there will always be some people with genuine insights and the ability to help others understand themselves better and move towards their goals.

I've never paid for Tony Robbins material but would say its been helpful.

In the OP's case they could use the material to understand what is behind wanting the change. Understanding their why.

Is it a feeling of significance / love / variety / contribution that they're lacking? How could they go about getting what's missing? What are their options?

These are the types of things that I get from Tony Robbins - almost like a problem solving framework for personal problems.

All that being said, do people use self help as a form of procrastination? Yes I'd say many do. However I believe the people with all the resources that refuse to take action are no worse off than they would have been anyway.

As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#259
post #256

As someone who is a coder: My "career" switches with each job. I go from Defense, to Logistics, to Mathematics, to Systems Software, to now Databases. I'm not trained in all these to 10,000 hours. I have 25+ years at this, and I still have to learn at every job when I start. So, the most important thing is the core. The very core competencies of a programmer: - Rigor - You must be willing to rigorously think things t…

> But really, Java is miserable without an IDE

Very true. It's also miserable with an IDE.

Re: Ask HN: 10k hours rule to master anything. Could I switch career when I am 43?

#260
Range is a fantastic book that completely discredits the whole book. Give it a read, it will make you understand how the world actually works outside of elite athletes.

https://www.amazon.com/Range-Generalists-Triumph-Specialized...

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