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Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by mynameisvlad »

j_k_eter wrote: post #66
cmeacham98 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I like open source federated ecosystems like Mastodon, but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. I'm not sure I could reliably predict whether Twitter or Mastodon will live longer.

I find the idea that X won't / can't happen on a 3 month timeline, in this political climate, silly. Is there such a thing as stability bias? Because folks had best recalibrate their expectations for rate of change, starting a few months ago. I won't be taking any bets on Facebook, but the thing I'm replying to sounds like 6-months ago thinking.

I mean if you’re saying human existence can’t be guaranteed 3 months into the future, then that’s one thing, but what does Facebook and Twitter’s stability have to do with the current political climate?

And if you are saying the former, then Twitter and Facebook’s longetivity should be the least of your concerns.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by woevdbz »

83457 wrote: post #121
naavis wrote: post #81

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For reference, based on quick Googling, Twitter publishes around 10 000 tweets per second on average.

On average I guess that makes sense. The peaks must be ridiculously high though.

I'd assume it's not so much the peaks that are a challenge - most of these 10k tweets/second aren't critical to serve to anyone fast, and that scales horizontally- it's the hot spots, that one tweet thread in the spotlight right now that everybody wants to read and jump on - that doesn't scale by just adding more servers

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by ekianjo »

monkin wrote: post #67
proactivesvcs wrote: post #28

This is one of the strengths of a federated system run by people who aren't looking to profit. Firstly, they care about their users and are more likely to take difficult decisions, like the one Ash has made, for the good of themselves and their users. In doing so everyone involved has time to make an orderly move. Secondly, the service survives. Mastodon didn't shut down. The Fediverse didn't close. One beloved insta…

And who will pay for that openness and decentralization? Let’s hypothetically say that Twitter is closed, millions of users discover Mastodon and move. Mastodon instances will be down in matter of seconds. How do you approach this? By volunteers adding more instances(that they can close anytime)? This will not change anything. Everything cost money and living in an “free” world bubble isn’t helping in any project ado…

> Mastodon instances will be down in matter of seconds.

Of course not. Mastodon instances can be capped in the first place, and anybody with a rudimentary server management knowledge can start their own instances on a cheap server. Mastodon has current hundreds of instances, let's not pretend it can't go to thousands if the user base increases.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by afavour »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #200
afavour wrote: post #148

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You do realise that you're the one being personally dramatic here, right? Especially with a comment like that.

It's interesting how some people always assume it's a moral failing when others refuse to engage with their bullshit.

I'm starting to understand why you're personally invested in defending toxic online behaviour.

I replied to your post, responding to the issues you raised in your original post. Engage with it or don't engage with it, that's up to you, but don't fill the forum with nonsense. Absent any actual interaction with the points I raised this will be my last reply in the thread.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by [deleted] »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #183
cmeacham98 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I like open source federated ecosystems like Mastodon, but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. I'm not sure I could reliably predict whether Twitter or Mastodon will live longer.

>but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. He didn't say "anytime soon", you added that part.

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Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by mynameisvlad »

EarlKing wrote: post #134
proactivesvcs wrote: post #89

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> You don't have to look very hard to find screaming racists, furries, and lolicons. They make no effort to hide themselves since operators apparently endorse that sort of behavior as long as it fits their own particular biases and kinks. Of course not. It's on the Internet. I don't have a problem with furries, people with bias or kinks. What if I'm one of those people, should I not be allowed to make public comment?…

> What if I'm one of those people, should I not be allowed to make public comment? If you do, do not be surprised when the service you're using gains a reputation accordingly. > And on the odd occasion I do, I just ban the user or the entire instance and move on. Yeah, that's actually part of the problem. If anyone can ban anyone for any reason then you don't actually have a federation. You have, at best, a gathering…

> You can either have a federation of commoditized servers or you can ban people you don't like -- you cannot have both.

Why not? A person is only banned from one instance, they are free to choose another and federate across any instances they haven’t been banned from. That sure sounds like having both federation and the ability to ban.

These are not public utilities. A person or organization doesn’t have to support someone with opposing views to them. And that’s ok. And that doesn’t break federation, except to specific instances for specific people.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by tolciho »

noirscape wrote: post #20
spiderfarmer wrote: post #3

> The server has also gotten too large and too complex for me to administer. I always suspected this would be a massive problem with Mastodon. I contemplated running a server, but there's no way to know beforehand when you'll be running into a limit, like cost or time. Can you really build a social network on volunteers that invest their own money and time, with little reward?

It's mostly large if you make it large. I run a single-user Pleroma instance, my fediverse network is relatively small and for the most part I can keep my timeline clean purely by reaction. Even having around 20 users or so is still relatively manageable (used to run an open signup instance in the past). Basically as long as you don't exceed Dunbars Number[1], moderating a fedi instance is fairly painless. External m…

"Why we live in hierarchies: a quantitative treatise" https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.01744 might be a relevant read (Dunbar's Number does come up)

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by burntwater »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #183
cmeacham98 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I like open source federated ecosystems like Mastodon, but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. I'm not sure I could reliably predict whether Twitter or Mastodon will live longer.

>but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. He didn't say "anytime soon", you added that part.

> How will your argument hold up when fcbook finishes dying? We'll find out soon enough.

Sounds close enough to "anytime soon" for me.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by lapcat »

monocasa wrote: post #171
tfrutuoso wrote: post #163

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Google isn't really a good example, they love killing off services on a whim. Meta closing down Facebook would be much more... dramatic, shall we say.

MySpace and AIM might be better examples then.

MySpace today still has more active users than Mastodon.

Re: Mastodon.technology Shutdown

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Post by jasode »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #183
cmeacham98 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I like open source federated ecosystems like Mastodon, but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. I'm not sure I could reliably predict whether Twitter or Mastodon will live longer.

>but claiming Twitter or Facebook will be shut down any time soon is laughable. He didn't say "anytime soon", you added that part.

>He didn't say "anytime soon", you added that part.

I don't think it was a deliberate misquote of gp to manipulate readers. Instead, the "anytime soon" was responding to gp's exact statement of : "We'll find out soon enough."

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