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SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by stingraycharles »

treis wrote: post #272
jdgoesmarching wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and we’re reacting to how crazy it is that Meta’s competitors are required to divulge internal documents to Meta so Meta can make a case that they aren’t anticompetitive. > It's not that Meta that wants the documents for corporate espionage Yes I’m sure we all trust Meta will behave ethically when given private information.

They're not required to divulge documents. They're required to respond to the subpoena. An acceptable response is that you don't want to divulge because they're confidential or the request is too burdensome.

Really? That’s not what OP from the linked article makes it sound like. I wonder if they got decent legal advice on the matter.

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Post by int_19h »

benreesman wrote: post #133

Maybe I've just been on a too-long coding stretch, but speaking for myself, it's just really unsavory to read so much "red/blue"-style sloganism around the big tech companies. Obviously I'm biased because I worked for one, and so I saw up close the process that produces the decisions that seem to routinely generate comment threads with people comparing Google/FB/MSFT/etc. to e.g. "Satan". It's just not that simple fo…

> People are quite pleased to enjoy the corporate funding of all the open-source projects that wouldn't exist without the megacorps

I used to be in that boat. But after seeing where Chrome ended up, and how this affects the web today, I can't help but think that long-term, we'd be better off if the megacorps disappeared together with the funding.

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Post by smoldesu »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #52
Entinel wrote: post #28

These types of things are incredibly silly. During the Epic vs Apple charade, Apple subpoenaed Steam for financial records as well which the judge forced Steam to comply with. The fact that a situation completely unrelated to me can force me to hand over what I would consider business secrets is a bit absurd.

Exposing those "business secrets" still has value, even to the general public. However, Apple should also have been forced to reveal their financial records.

What "business secrets" did Valve hide?

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by prox »

bigmealbigmeal wrote: post #410
Raed667 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mark wants to be able to sell apps and ads on his end-to-end controlled platform, that is it. He missed the boat on browsers and smartphones, so he is aiming for total monopoly of what he believes is the next-big-thing™.

I think this is mixing up the mythology of Zuckerberg with the reality. There's no indication that he is exclusively or even primarily driven by money or power. Go watch any long-form interview with him, such as with Lex Fridman. It becomes rather clear that he wants to be more like how Steve Jobs is seen by the wider public: as an innovator and pioneer, not as a power-hungry moneymaker.

He isn’t doing a great job at that. I see him as a rather analytical CEO. Nothing of the charisma or clarity of ideas that Steve Jobs had. Steve Jobs was rather ruthless when it came to quality (source : Guy Kawasaki) and no idea how Zuckerberg is irl, but my impression it isn’t favorable.

What I am trying to say is, with how Facebook is managed isn’t at all like Apple.

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Post by numpad0 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #413
georgewsinger wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just want to clarify that I would never characterize Zuckerberg or Meta as "incompetent". Quite the contrary. I would instead more characterize the situation as Paul Graham did in one of his essays[1]: > A lot of startups worry "what if Google builds something like us?" Actually big companies are not the ones you have to worry about-- not even Google. The people at Google are smart, but no smarter than you; they're n…

To be honest, Meta seems pretty afraid of going out of business if their metaverse-pitch ends up failing - in fact, I'm pretty sure the whole metaverse push just happened because FB was (is) loosing ground fast.

I think Zuckerberg is afraid of his core beliefs breaking, that a man has a face and his name. None of existing VR platforms are made that way and are successful at the same time.

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Post by ehnto »

tipsytoad wrote: post #403
ehnto wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a very different experience to how we currently consume media, and I am not really sure it has mass appeal even with some kind of perfect execution. I am prepared to be totally wrong mind you. It's an incredible tool and way to engage with virtual worlds, but the question we should be asking isn't "Is VR technology good enough" which I think people get stuck on. Really the question is "Does everyone want to be i…

I thought the idea of future vr is mixed reality, so you could be "present" while experiencing an AR like experience

But what does that mean for movies and games, the type of media most people are likely to consume while in VR? You wouldn't really want your reality mixed with a game you're playing, with exceptions being AR games which vastly limits the possible experiences. It might help for movies, but it also kind of defeats the benefits of VR if you're just watching a flat screen in an AR version of your room.

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Post by danpalmer »

josaka wrote: post #161
Roark66 wrote: post #70

If this is actually how US's justice system works it is even more bonkers than I thought. Could someone versed in this legal system explain, please? Is is any accused that can demand documents/data/free research from vaguely related third parties, or only large companies? Enquiring minds want to know!

Yes, but in practice, this is just an opening offer in a negotiation. Parties will typically counter with something like: depose me in my home town for no more than x hours, and I'll produce what docs I have if you sign a protective order that makes produced info attorney's-eyes-only, i.e., business people cannot review. Unlikely a court would require more than this.

That negotiation still requires lawyers. Overall less legal expense assuming it succeeds, but we're still talking about a 5-figure legal bill at minimum, which for a small startup is a big hit. The employee distraction will probably double the cost at least, so it's reasonable to expect they'll lose 6 figures on this, which is equivalent to hiring another employee.

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Post by robertlagrant »

Raed667 wrote: post #50
cableshaft wrote: post #40

>We're don't view ourselves in competition with Meta >...Meta sells reasonably good gaming headsets to customers who want to be entertained in VR; we're selling general-purpose productivity devices which are aimed at replacing PCs and laptops. Hate to break it to you, but if you don't think that Mark Zuckerberg is actively trying to create VR devices that are general-purpose productivity devices aimed at replacing PC…

Mark wants to be able to sell apps and ads on his end-to-end controlled platform, that is it. He missed the boat on browsers and smartphones, so he is aiming for total monopoly of what he believes is the next-big-thing™.

If we're defining "missed" as "things released by companies while Facebook was growing to 500k MAUs" :D
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