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Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by humanistbot »

vanviegen wrote: post #109
m10k wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, "you can change what you want" should really be "you will have to change certain things". Which is fine for developery people and people with a lot of time and patience on their hands. But for the overwhelming majority, even fiddling with the contents of /etc or $HOME/.whatever is too much of a hurdle. People don't choose Windows or Mac despite not being able to change things, they choose it so they…

I don't understand? What are these things you have to change? Your second paragraph mentions changing defaults. Of course software evolves over the decades. You may not like every change, but evolving along is always an option, of you don't want to tinker. Also, most UI config is stored in dotfiles. Upgrading doesn't apply the new defaults to an existing account.

Ubuntu is terrible for this. Every new version comes with a UI redesign, and the 20.04 switch was particularly painful.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by patrick451 »

xupybd wrote: post #45

Having worked in Linux for years, I'm sorry Windows is more productive for me. MS office still dominates and our company and customers work in Excel. Without support for office Linux is harder than Windows for me. With WSL2 almost everything I can do in Linux I can now do in Windows. Don't get me wrong there are things that I hate about working in Windows. Especially Windows shared folders and mapped drives. Compared…

Forced updates and reboots are deal breaker for me. There's nothing more frustrating than leaving a long running simulation up all night only to realize that windows rebooted in the middle of the night. Or you need to reboot for some other reason, you're in a hurry, but now windows needs to install 137 updates.

If a job requires me to use windows, I will find another job.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by jeppester »

hayst4ck wrote: post #96
headsoup wrote: post #64

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To be honest, it's closer than you'd think. I find very few games now that I can't run through Steam+Proton, to the point I forget I'm not on the 'Native' OS for them. And what I've also found is that issues that affect my games on Linux Steam are usually also reported for Windows (i.e. black screen on loading, certain freezes).

Pretty interesting. I took a look through: https://www.protondb.com/explore and I was fairly surprised. I definitely expect the 20% tail to be 80% of the effort. I've also found that often there would be a lag time between the windows release (for total war warhammer for example) and the non windows releases. I've also found OSX versions of things to be a bit buggier (guild wars 2 for example), I assume that is no di…

Making so many games work has been a decade long effort. It's been worked on forever.

That it works so well is as close to a miracle as you can get with software.

What is needed is not "Linux making it work", it's developers making it work on Linux. And it's actually happening, albeit at a slow pace.

Recently the Steam Deck has been very successful at convincing game devs to put in an effort - for the benefit of all Linux users.

If Linux had MS Office and the Adobe suite, there would hardly be a reason to stay on Windows anymore.

I'm sure Microsoft's reluctance to bring office over - despite their self-proclaimed "love of linux" is because they know it would be a nail in Window's coffin.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by rany_ »

upheaval7276 wrote: post #93

"And if you are concerned about privacy...consider a real upgrade … to Linux" [Opens Network tab] GET https://www.googletagmanager.com

I really don't get why Google doesn't have the option to serve these requests from the website's domain (maybe even using a random subdomain each time).

Considering Google has their own CA or could use Let's Encrypt, it should be more than feasible.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by cycomanic »

titoCA321 wrote: post #101
bm-rf wrote: post #22

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I wonder what the intended audience of this page is supposed to be

I don't understand this phenomena in the Linux community of trying to convert anyone and everyone to Linux. But then again, I'm not want to convert others to my religion, sports team or car model. Yes, there are Mac and Windows evangelist, but there's more and they are louder in the Linux community. You would think for a community that claims to support "freedom" and "opensource," they would live and let live what ot…

MS and Apple are doing plenty more advertising to try to convert people to use their OS. The difference is that Linux is not backed by a large corporation, so naturally it relies on people talking about it, it's more similar to a grassroots movement that tries to e.g. get you to grow your own vegetables instead of buying at the supermarket.

I would also argue that the Mac community in particular is pretty vocal about trying to convert people to macs.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by nuker »

cycomanic wrote: post #115
titoCA321 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this phenomena in the Linux community of trying to convert anyone and everyone to Linux. But then again, I'm not want to convert others to my religion, sports team or car model. Yes, there are Mac and Windows evangelist, but there's more and they are louder in the Linux community. You would think for a community that claims to support "freedom" and "opensource," they would live and let live what ot…

MS and Apple are doing plenty more advertising to try to convert people to use their OS. The difference is that Linux is not backed by a large corporation, so naturally it relies on people talking about it, it's more similar to a grassroots movement that tries to e.g. get you to grow your own vegetables instead of buying at the supermarket. I would also argue that the Mac community in particular is pretty vocal about…

Lol. Macs are the best of two worlds for many people. Its like properly secured Linux that you dont need to fiddle with.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by flippinburgers »

petra wrote: post #17
ghostly_s wrote: post #11

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Also the small issue that despite how much Windows sucks Linux continues to be worse.

It start and ends with applications. As long as linux doesn't provide unique high-value software that doesn't exist on windows, why should anybody bother ?

The idea of trying to develop software on windows makes me shudder.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by akho »

csdvrx wrote: post #100
tssva wrote: post #59

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I also really like Windows 11 and find it to be a nice upgrade from Windows 10. The 1st Linux distro I used was TAMU back in 1992. I have tried countless desktop distros over the last 30 years. I still try the major desktop distros when they have a new release but leave disappointed each time. Poor battery life, poor trackpad gesture support, and awfulness of both flatpaks and snaps are just a few of the issues.

> I also really like Windows 11 Same! With all the keyboards shortcuts, and "new" apps like Windows Terminal, the experience is just wonderful! Most of my apps are fullscreen, and Windows-Arrows to pin to specific quadrant on the screen is just as good as i3 and tiling wm. Also, there's software for everything you may even think about: just yesterday, I wanted an app to display pictures while keeping the same positio…

Nomacs is about as cross-platform as it gets.

Aero snap (or whatever Win+arrows is called now) is not a replacement for a tiling wm, and you being happy to finally have a _terminal_, of all things, is just sad.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by mrjin »

xupybd wrote: post #45

Having worked in Linux for years, I'm sorry Windows is more productive for me. MS office still dominates and our company and customers work in Excel. Without support for office Linux is harder than Windows for me. With WSL2 almost everything I can do in Linux I can now do in Windows. Don't get me wrong there are things that I hate about working in Windows. Especially Windows shared folders and mapped drives. Compared…

I have been using Windows/Linux/BSD in parallel for decades. Now I'm at the verge to ditch Windows.

Linux/BSD were barely usable on PCs when I started using a computer. Now to my surprise, they are, especially Linux now good enough for my day to day use, even on some old and weak hardware.

In the same time, Windows peaked at Windows 7 then downhill all the way. Windows 8 was quite a surprise by changing the UI, but okay other than that. Windows 10 is the malware. When Windows 10 was first out, my computers fan started to run like crazy in the mid-night but when I checked in the morning everything looked alright. It went on for quite a few month until one day I was woke up by the fan and decided to take a look at what was the computer doing. Yep, upgrading to Windows 10, but the upgrade failed so rolled back to Windows 7 like nothing happened. So I upgraded to Win10 manually which I regret almost immediately. Since then updates just like Russian Roulette. Almost every time there would be something got broken and something broken got fixed. And I started to notice some core utilities which were rock solid like diskpart, ipconfig etc got broken. The most ridiculous time was that all 3 UIs(so called modern, win32 and cli) were broken and I spent hour and had to use a combination of 2 out of the 3 to get back online. And I also constantly got OOM BSOD on one particular version even though I have 64GB RAM installed.

The only reason I still use Windows now is that there are no alternatives for some work related stuffs.

Re: Upgrade to Linux

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Post by xupybd »

mrjin wrote: post #119
xupybd wrote: post #45

Having worked in Linux for years, I'm sorry Windows is more productive for me. MS office still dominates and our company and customers work in Excel. Without support for office Linux is harder than Windows for me. With WSL2 almost everything I can do in Linux I can now do in Windows. Don't get me wrong there are things that I hate about working in Windows. Especially Windows shared folders and mapped drives. Compared…

I have been using Windows/Linux/BSD in parallel for decades. Now I'm at the verge to ditch Windows. Linux/BSD were barely usable on PCs when I started using a computer. Now to my surprise, they are, especially Linux now good enough for my day to day use, even on some old and weak hardware. In the same time, Windows peaked at Windows 7 then downhill all the way. Windows 8 was quite a surprise by changing the UI, but o…

>The only reason I still use Windows now is that there are no alternatives for some work related stuffs.

That's basically me as well. I tried hard to use alternatives but it didn't work out.

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