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Why does it seem unreasonable when it is a known side-effect (regardless how rare)? Is it more reasonable to assume mystery of the universe? Like, there's no better candidate, but we're more comfortable with 'random thing' than 'maybe we should investigate if the vaccine could have been involved' (i.e. vaccinated recently, previous reactions, etc). It's strange to see so many people going out of their way to justify…

>Like, there's no better candidate There is a better candidate. The corona virus has the same known side effect and it's more often and more severe. A pre vaccine study already showed that an corona virus infection increases the risk of heart failures even after more than a year after infection.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to read more into it.

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Just in case for the someone who's genuinely curious about its possibility, it's very unlikely tied to vaccination since most of the blood clot/heart attack cases happen within several days after vaccination and these are already very rare. And we haven't observed any significant mid-term impacts as well. And I don't think Jung Gi had a recent vaccination since S. Korea's recent vaccination numbers are very low (a fe…

Heart damage resulting from vaccine-induced myocarditis can cause or contribute to heart attacks weeks, months, or years later, long after the acute symptoms of heart inflammation have seemingly resolved. And myocarditis isn't an on-off thing. The symptoms can be so severe and alarming that an individual will seek treatment immediately or mild enough that they ascribe them to a less serious issue (e.g. heartburn/indigestion) and "tough it out" without seeking care. Whether they get care or not, the acute symptoms may dissipate but permanent damage may have been done to their heart.

Under the unusual circumstances prevailing in many developed nations over the past couple of years, with the authorities and medical professions coercing entire populations into indiscriminately receiving experimental injections that have turned out to damage some low-covid-risk-persons' hearts, there is a generalized reluctance on the part of the same groups (government and medical bureaucracies) to acknowledge the damage their actions have inflicted. Your belief that vaccine-related fatalities are restricted to a period of a few days post-shot, is a result of the authorities' grudging admissions (and those only because the deaths are undeniable) rather than an accurate picture of what's going on.

Here's a link to a Danish study about the longer-term outlook for patients with acute myocarditis who were hospitalized, using pre-covid, pre-covid-shot data ("Long-term prognosis following hospitalization for acute myocarditis – a matched nationwide cohort study"): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14017431.2021.1...

From the abstract:

Prognosis in patients with apparently uncomplicated myocarditis is in general perceived as good, but data on long-term outcomes are sparse.

A bit further down...

Myocarditis in younger patients without prior cardiac disease was associated with a long-term excess risk of HF hospitalization, and death, even in patients free of events and HF medication 1 year after discharge.

Many nations are seeing a large increase in non-covid excess deaths of working-age persons and the magnitude of the effect seems to correlate with the uptake of mRNA and adenovirus-vector covid shots and boosters. It's hard to get to the bottom of what's going on now because the same people responsible for investigating this sort of thing have gone all-in on forcing shots onto people who mostly (non-elderly/non-direly-ill) aren't at risk of severe covid. Until the members of that cohort of experts and officials move on, retire, or are fired, I'm afraid that this will all continue to be either "baffling"/"mysterious" or falsely normalized.

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>Like, there's no better candidate There is a better candidate. The corona virus has the same known side effect and it's more often and more severe. A pre vaccine study already showed that an corona virus infection increases the risk of heart failures even after more than a year after infection.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to read more into it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0

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Keep repeating the mantra and it makes it true.

Once you publish your peer reviewed paper I look forward to retracting my comment as you are globally lauded.

Will you accept peer-reviewed papers by other authors?

There are multiple types of health risks associated with the experimental covid shots (billions of doses administered globally and often repeatedly to the same individuals before clinical trials have been completed doesn't make them less experimental, but it does raise the stakes of the experiment).

Here, I will consider a single known and admitted adverse effect of some of the covid shots, particularly the mRNA products: myocarditis.

A relatively small number of deaths have been grudgingly admitted, particularly among younger males who are at very low risk from covid itself but have been coerced into receiving these shots in order to attend school, university, participate in activities, or to obtain and retain employment. But we have been (falsely) assured by experts and authorities that myocarditis sufferers who don't actually die during the acute phase of their illness make a full recovery and suffer no lasting ill effects.

The only problem is that this is not true.

Long-term prospects of myocarditis sufferers are not well-characterized. And there's very, very little interest in studying the issue now, but here's a paper accepted by a journal just before covid went big globally: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14017431.2021.1...

From the abstract:

Myocarditis in younger patients without prior cardiac disease was associated with a long-term excess risk of HF hospitalization, and death, even in patients free of events and HF medication 1 year after discharge.

As we know, correlations between use of drugs like Vioxx and Chantix with, respectively, doubled risk of strokes and heart attacks and increased risk of cancer were enough to get them pulled from the market. But governments didn't relentlessly promote and coerce their citizens into taking Vioxx and Chantix en masse or waive liability for those products' manufacturers.

We're witnessing a large increase in non-covid excess deaths of young-to-middle-aged persons in countries with high covid shot uptake and the same experts who rammed those shots down everyone's throat, coordinated a censorship campaign to muffle anyone expressing legitimate concerns, hounded dissenting medical professionals and scientists out of their jobs, etc. is extremely baffled and thinks maybe it's related to climate change.

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There is also zero reason to assume he was vaccinated while traveling through multiple foreign countries. The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anythi…

> while traveling through multiple foreign countries. On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments. To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless…

Before traveling, yes. During traveling, no it does not make much sense. Especially due to the way health insurance works - it will pay if you get sick but usually not for vaccinations etc.

> To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter.

We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines.

? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy.

You are lying. Practically, it is not experiment.

> Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.

What does that have to do with whether trying to imply vaccines are responsible for Kim Jung Gi? Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors".

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> while traveling through multiple foreign countries. On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments. To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless…

Before traveling, yes. During traveling, no it does not make much sense. Especially due to the way health insurance works - it will pay if you get sick but usually not for vaccinations etc. > To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines. ? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented…

> Practically, it is not experiment.

The U.S. NIH says otherwise, e.g. here is one of the ongoing clinical studies, which continues through March 2023, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584

  Study Type: Observational
  Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Permanente Southern California
  Actual Study Start Date:  May 15, 2021
  Estimated Primary Completion Date: March 31, 2023
  Estimated Study Completion Date: March 31, 2023
> covid-19 vaccines

WHO lists 11 vaccines and 4 types, each with different mechanisms of action, effectiveness and safety, https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/

  Protein subunit
  RNA
  Non Replicating Viral Vector
  Inactivated Virus

Re: Kim Jung Gi has died

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Nope ...

How many same-office-colleague-years do you think you’ve had in your career? How many fatal heart attacks in the five across all those? For me, it’s “tens of thousands” and “zero”.

That's rather personal but it is non zero.

It's clear to me you've made up your mind and you feel that spending the money is a waste for something that's so low risk so I don't see any point in continuing this conversation. If you do still work in an office I hope it never happens to you.

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Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question. Heart disease was a top killer before Covid existed. For all we know he ate poorly but still looked fit. Or had a genetic condition. So why even ask that question here? Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance.

"Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question."

Well... Maybe your conclusion is biased.

"Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance."

Why? I prefer individual, non-anonymous source of data. Without conclusions.

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> Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by asking the question You «jump[] to a biased conclusion» only when the conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak interpretations.

There is also zero reason to assume he was vaccinated while traveling through multiple foreign countries. The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anythi…

"Just like every time famous person dies."

Only for those who are healthy and suddenly die because of chest pain. Also when you know personaly people that are seriously ill or dead because of vaccines, than it is really hard to not ask questions.

"That happens to be private health information."

It was and it should be. But since our governments decided to make those information mandatory for for/entrance to various places/etc., it is not private anymore.

Re: Kim Jung Gi has died

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> while traveling through multiple foreign countries. On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments. To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless…

Before traveling, yes. During traveling, no it does not make much sense. Especially due to the way health insurance works - it will pay if you get sick but usually not for vaccinations etc. > To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines. ? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented…

"Practically, it is not experiment."

It is. Vaccine trials cannot be speed up. Human biology is not changeable as some sources trying to tell you. You need time to observe for example changes in fertility. walterbell gave you links for more info.

"Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors"."

Sorry, but that is your biased deduction.

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