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The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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As far as I understand the science, that clarity is in part the perceived experience of reduced inflammation in the central nervous system. Psychedelics are anti-inflammatory. (Profoundly so. The anti-inflammatory effect is orders of magnitude stronger than the effects on the mind, i.e. a dose orders of magnitude smaller than we can directly perceive has a strong anti-inflammatory effect. Which is fascinating as thes…

That's very interesting. As someone who has to take a fair amount of ibuprofen etc. for inflammatory arthritis, is it worth just tripping out from time to time?

Well, the reason I was pointed to that Psychedelics and Immunomodulation paper is that an acquaintance ingested some of these substances in a very very responsible and safe way and had a significant, sudden, and obvious remission of a chronic autoimmune condition. Completely unexpected. There was NO expectation of this as far as I know. They started trying to dig up any info on what they might have done to cause it and this paper quickly cropped up.

Edit: Please note that “immunomodulation” can mean immunosuppression! Take care!

There’s lots of science on this stuff. Surprising amounts. I strongly advocate for reading it. It’s surprisingly readable once some key elements of the jargon are picked up!

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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I’ve had two hallucinagenic experiences (acid and 2c-I) and I never got any life changing experiences. Is it like hypnosis where you have to believe in it to have it work? I know someone cured of an addiction from her hypnosis so I know these things happen. I would say I absolutely had hallucinations and the experiences were powerful and long lasting, but I’m still aware it’s a trip.

out of curiosity, how old were you? becuase I've been wondering recently what would have happened if I only tried hallucinogenics for the first time now that my brain is much older?

My experience may be of interest to you.

I first used LSD around 15-16. It was fun in that novel kind of way. Not life-changing.

Around a year later I moved to a new place where LSD was much more accessible and much cheaper. Myself and some new friends started using it frequently (i.e. every 2-3 weeks). I was also smoking pot regularly at the time. Some months later I had become complacent and we decided to go into the city centre on a busy Friday night while under the influence. I had a very bad time. Bad set and setting as they say. Strong paranoia set in - not unlike a lot of people would be familiar with through smoking pot, just much more intense.

That bad trip stuck with me. It really was life-changing. I developed strong anxiety, especially in social situations. It was as though, during that trip, my brain had learned some new associations and they persisted.

I have a large extended family that includes some with bipolar disorder and one schizophrenic. Knowing this, I was privately very concerned for myself. It took me roughly five years to learn to overcome that anxiety (no drugs or counseling, largely just self reflection). As with most things in life, I don't regret it as it is a part of what made me the person I am today. I know that I missed a lot of opportunities during those years, but I appreciate that I understand myself in a way that I otherwise might not have. I actually feel that I have come out psychologically stronger - able to recognise what is triggering certain feelings and having simple strategies for dealing with them (or even avoiding them in the first place).

Part of that whole process was learning that pot wasn't for me (fun as it was initially). Today I don't actually enjoy it at all.

Surprisingly, I do occasionally use psychedelics these days. I feel very safe doing so and I put this down to the hard work I put in following that initial bad trip 20+ years ago.

What I get out of psychedelics now (largely psilocybin and occasionally LSD) is very different from what I was looking for when I was young. I don't seek out an experience with strong hallucinations in general. I'm there for the psychological insight. I relish the opportunity it allows me for 'objective' self reflection. I know of no other way to be as honest with myself about my self. I get real insights that I later reflect on and that really help me get the most out of my meditation practice.

There's a question that you might have come across sometime. "When did you realise that you were the arsehole?" When I first saw that, I didn't give it much thought. Now I do. It's just part of the development of the self. I now welcome those moments where I catch myself being selfish, or reflexively and narcissistically defending the (always) inadequate conception I have of my self.

Psychedelics for me are a useful tool for honest introspection. Sometimes it can be exquisitely uncomfortable and you need to be prepared for that but I find it invaluable. Psilocybin seems to be better for this than LSD. It is the only drug I have ever experienced that leaves me feeling noticeably better the following day (I have similar thoughts when using LSD, but somehow it leaves my brain feeling a bit 'frazzled').

TLDR; When younger I chased strong 'fun' hallucinations using psychedelics and paid a price that taught me an important lesson. Today I use them for self reflection and the way they (ironically) help me to maintain and conceive of a more realistic self.

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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On one July 4 years ago I walked alone to a beach on Cape Cod, in Massachusetts. I lied down on the sand and put a hat over my face. I listened to the waves. The beach was busy - I could also hear the ambient sound of many people chattering in different languages. So many languages. It was profound to me that those people came from so far around the world to that place, bringing with them an unimaginable depth of exp…

This sounds very similar to the experience Henry Shukman had in his teens on a beach in South America. It started his journey to becoming a Zen teacher. He writes about it in the early chapters of "One Blade of Grass" (which I'm currently reading).

Sasha Chapin mentioned this book - thanks for the push to get it and read it.

A remarkable autobiography, and a balanced and compelling account of his practice. I'm inspired to find a good community :)

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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I'm curious as to what differentiates cannabis from other psychedelics such that you think there is a healthy path to it and not to anything else. I personally think turning to psychedelics as form of subjective exploration is perfectly healthy, despite the risks.

> I'm curious as to what differentiates cannabis from other psychedelics such that you think there is a healthy path to it and not to anything else. Experience. Also you're more likely to come across it due to legality. When you cross the threshold of legality you're more likely to find yourself in bad company > I personally think turning to psychedelics as form of subjective exploration is perfectly healthy, despite…

This is a great example of why the war on drugs has been such a tremendous failure. You shouldn't have to risk life and limb to explore your consciousness

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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Imo there is no healthy situation that leads someone to any drugs past pot. At that point you enter a rabbithole

I would say it is human, as in humans are social animals, to do drugs socially. I think of alcohol or cigarettes and maybe pot as a rebel cult of teenagerhood. To seek or try drugs that may change your whole life is not healthy because it means you are implicitly deciding your current existence is not enough and something else needs to be on the other side: be it a nice trip, the most powerful high, or rush. The reje…

This can be applied to anything that gives us comfort. I take the view that we do these things because of a deep psychological knowledge that we will die. There's a book called The Denial Of Death. It's speaks all about how a lot of choices we make (almost all) once you still down deep enough, are because we are creatures who know the power of our own minds but also are aware that we will die one day.

Another way to think of it is, we have kinds that can imagine and simulate anything. We are practically gods in our own minds. The tragedy is that we have this power but will sooner or later die. This is a tragic a deep realization we all have.

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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Very fun thing that can happen on heavy doses of hallucinogens: seeing your thoughts visually. His experience of seeings geometric patterns that shift depending on what/how you're thinking is what I've seen too. It's like putting every thought in a multidimensional space that includes color, and going around it while thinking. Similar thoughts or thought threads look similar in color, shape and texture, while jumping…

I had that but it was a kaleidoscope vision. Every time I closed my eyes, any small sounds would cause the kaleidoscope to shift. Was actually bloody annoying while I was trying to sleep!

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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From my experience with psilocybin-containing mushrooms, I didn't hallucinate. Rather, my senses grew incredibly sharper and everything was super-vivid. I could see why they would be great for hunting in a prehistoric setting and would give one an unfair advantage. Shrooms are even known to increase visual acuity. It was like watching 4K video for the first time after watching standard definition your whole life. As…

I had the exact same thoughts my first time. Everything became HD. I was noticing the smallest of details everywhere. It was kind of nice because noticing the little things became second nature. I had no desire to go do something else other than sit and watch life around me.

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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That's very interesting. As someone who has to take a fair amount of ibuprofen etc. for inflammatory arthritis, is it worth just tripping out from time to time?

Well, the reason I was pointed to that Psychedelics and Immunomodulation paper is that an acquaintance ingested some of these substances in a very very responsible and safe way and had a significant, sudden, and obvious remission of a chronic autoimmune condition. Completely unexpected. There was NO expectation of this as far as I know. They started trying to dig up any info on what they might have done to cause it a…

What was this chronic condition? MS?

Re: The life-changing effects of hallucinations

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Well, the reason I was pointed to that Psychedelics and Immunomodulation paper is that an acquaintance ingested some of these substances in a very very responsible and safe way and had a significant, sudden, and obvious remission of a chronic autoimmune condition. Completely unexpected. There was NO expectation of this as far as I know. They started trying to dig up any info on what they might have done to cause it a…

What was this chronic condition? MS?

Nothing that serious! Just one of the annoying ones (and visible). If it were anything as serious as MS I’d be much more sceptical, and not so flippantly confident either.

The papers do outline some mechanisms that at least don’t exclude the possibility •shrug•

MS is in my family so, yeah. It’s no small thing.

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I am curious what the outcome was. Any direction your life took aftewards?

It's a good question, and sort of impossible to answer in that we don't know what might have happened if I hadn't had that trip. However, I'd guess it's a similar answer to @prhn's sibling comment - at school I had terrible concentration problems, failed a bunch of my exams etc including computer studies. Post-acid, I developed a real love of learning and a love of problem solving - the two things combined to provide…

That is interesting thanks for the insights. I am worried about trying it out but i find it tempting particularly since i have a few dots that need connecting in my mind. Just super worried about the side effects.
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