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SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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What would you have had them do instead? Again: > naturally, one of the primary (only?) things Meta can do to demonstrate this is to subpoena...well...its competition...to demand documents which might help them in court

They don't have a right to see secret documents other people have. We'll see.

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Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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So what if they are children? Fuck children? They received a letter that looks important and official to them, and looks to them like something they have to comply with. Are you giving legal advice to ignore letters from lawyers?

> Are you giving legal advice to ignore letters from lawyers? The only advice I saw them give was to hire lawyers to help them deal with it.

They called them children and by inference incompetent to operate a business, because they took what the letter says at face value.

My question is a logical extension of that.

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"We don't think they're competent enough to be a competitor" is a bad way to judge whether you're competing with someone. It's like Apple laughing at the IBM PC.

Just want to clarify that I would never characterize Zuckerberg or Meta as "incompetent". Quite the contrary. I would instead more characterize the situation as Paul Graham did in one of his essays[1]: > A lot of startups worry "what if Google builds something like us?" Actually big companies are not the ones you have to worry about-- not even Google. The people at Google are smart, but no smarter than you; they're n…

To be honest, Meta seems pretty afraid of going out of business if their metaverse-pitch ends up failing - in fact, I'm pretty sure the whole metaverse push just happened because FB was (is) loosing ground fast.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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From your link, the FTC says: > "Meta already owns a best-selling virtual reality fitness app, and it had the capabilities to compete even more closely with Within’s popular Supernatural app. But Meta chose to buy market position instead of earning it on the merits." I don't buy that VR is so young, we're a couple generations in now on multiple platforms. There are still new entrants in the space, which is good, and…

Best selling doesn't mean well selling. Someone is always the best selling in a market. It doesn't mean the market is anywhere at all. VR might not even exist in 10 years. It's been hyped for 8-9 years now and user growth has been anaemic. Most headsets are shelfware. Here is an article to read: https://mixed-news.com/en/quest-2-why-meta-isnt-talking-abou... This isn't speculative nonsense - the usage problem is know…

The Within deal is above $400 million. Doesn't seem like shelfware money.

The end of the article seems pretty consistent with FTC's view: Meta can compete with better hardware and software on it's own.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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We understand Meta sometimes future projects that their devices will have broad office applications, but we're skeptical it has any teeth. Consider that Atari tried to compete with office PCs in the early 80s with their 8-bit family, and failed: https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_... It's hard to focus on multiple things at once, and we're skeptical that the bureaucratic forces in play at a l…

As a very nearsighted programmer suffering from increasing age-related farsightedness, I often fantasize about a VR headset that would allow me to comfortably focus (say 6 feet away while wearing contacts) on a huge virtual tmux session for coding. I don't know if this is even remotely a possibility but it sure would beat dealing with constant CSS (can't see s*t)

IIRC, Nreal Light is 2 m focus distance. Crisp 1080p. Weight/fit... I'd perhaps diy a hat or strap for long-duration use, depending on face shape. Reddit suggests newer Nreal Air is 4 m.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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>We're don't view ourselves in competition with Meta >...Meta sells reasonably good gaming headsets to customers who want to be entertained in VR; we're selling general-purpose productivity devices which are aimed at replacing PCs and laptops. Hate to break it to you, but if you don't think that Mark Zuckerberg is actively trying to create VR devices that are general-purpose productivity devices aimed at replacing PC…

You can also build mountains made out of dogshit, but as it turns out the target market for that is zero. Zuck can’t make it.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Of course, but you don't know either. So your argument that these (or equivalent) contributions wouldn't exist without the megacorps doesn't hold.

It's dramatically easier to prove to a reasonable observer that Kubernetes got lifted off the ground by a bunch of folks on Google payroll than it is to prove that some GNU diehard would have inevitably sold that (silly) idea to like a zillion people if only Google didn't beat them to it. I make these sort of observations with a certain regret: I was a kid already pushing the limits on a DOS-type machine when you cou…

That's taking it to extreme, though. It's possible that a large number of medium companies, for instance, would have the same open source yield as the megacorps who just bought them out (in our reality). Especially if it were easier for them to attract more talented engineers, which would be the case if the big companies had less of a grip on the existing market (e.g. if Meta were forced to split up, as regulators push for)

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Looking at the new videos related to the upcoming Quest Pro that will be announced next week, the simulavr guys are dead wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/AR_MR_XR/comments/xwjzni/meta_quest...

The AR pass through in that clip blows the simulavr pass through wayyyyy out the water!!!

That clip is a demo with a heap of demo-magic going on.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Best selling doesn't mean well selling. Someone is always the best selling in a market. It doesn't mean the market is anywhere at all. VR might not even exist in 10 years. It's been hyped for 8-9 years now and user growth has been anaemic. Most headsets are shelfware. Here is an article to read: https://mixed-news.com/en/quest-2-why-meta-isnt-talking-abou... This isn't speculative nonsense - the usage problem is know…

The Within deal is above $400 million. Doesn't seem like shelfware money. The end of the article seems pretty consistent with FTC's view: Meta can compete with better hardware and software on it's own.

They do try to build better hardware and software. At this point they are throwing everything they have at it. The FTC are treating them as though it's a big, profitable, won market where Meta isn't playing fair. In reality it's a small, money losing, no winner market where Meta is trying to create something.
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