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The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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small but important correction...

> However, when society industrialised, a rigid, five-day, 40-hour workweek arose in factory settings

ummm... no. More like the 6 day 16 hour per day work-week arose in factory settings.

The five-day, 40-hour workweek was fought and died for by the labor movement.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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A great way to get burned out as work encroaches on every aspect of your life. No thank you.

It depends on what you are doing throughout the day.

I think you are right that people may likely spend more time working in the end.

We are all different, though.

My ideal situation is to do deep work for 4 hours everyday and focus on the marathon not the dash.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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>In decades past, non-linear workdays used to be fairly uncommon.

They still are fairly uncommon. Source: traffic jams.

But for real. There is a trend to be a little more flexible, yet most places in the world continue to require the most obvious candidates for both remote and asynchronous work to function 'hybrid' and synchronously. It's incredibly telling Tuesdays and Thursdays are the days everything ends up jammed here.

If that wasn't enough, the 'we are doing Scrum' movement heavily pushes synchronous stand-ups and other meetings in the morning. Since most places also require video (yuck), good luck trying to just sit at a meeting and then go back to bed. If your ideal is to work the latter half of the day, we're still a far cry from normalizing it. I'd wager you can replace 'Scrum' with something else equally applicable in other disciplines.

Worst part is, we're still forcing the workerbees to fit the 9-5 rhythm, but the services are also working on a 9-5 rhythm. So how does Worker Bee use a service only available when they should be working? Not their problem, that's your problem (no seriously, who designed this structure?)

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Something that the software industry has to assimilate eventually is that unless your organization is very efficient, there's not a big difference between working for 6 or 10 hours a day.

Scrum / agile / whatever as understood by most companies does not prevent context switching, synchronous work that could be done asynchronously, and interruptions. When added together, those things shrink your team's capacity massively. I'm talking real capacity, not some magical number made up at some meeting.

Work could be relatively linear. The people who can make it happen just don't care or are clueless about it.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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A great way to get burned out as work encroaches on every aspect of your life. No thank you.

Agreed. My gf was recently asked to attend 5am meetings on her thursdays and Fridays. Her stance is a little different than mine, I would’ve outright refused but she accepted. Her boss said she could go back to sleep right after the meetings but we all know that’s not as easy as it sounds

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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small but important correction... > However, when society industrialised, a rigid, five-day, 40-hour workweek arose in factory settings ummm... no. More like the 6 day 16 hour per day work-week arose in factory settings. The five-day, 40-hour workweek was fought and died for by the labor movement.

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Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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small but important correction... > However, when society industrialised, a rigid, five-day, 40-hour workweek arose in factory settings ummm... no. More like the 6 day 16 hour per day work-week arose in factory settings. The five-day, 40-hour workweek was fought and died for by the labor movement.

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Productivity gains do not lead to increased worker benefit, they lead to increased owner benefit. Organized labor leads to increased worker benefit.
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