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Yeah, this is crazy. Do not have 3rd parties do this on your behalf. That said, I just tried to sign up for a Treasury Direct account, and while it was 'successful,' I immediately got an email saying they could not verify some of my information and so my account was on hold pending receipt of a notarized form I have to mail. For my protection. It says the average approval time for this form is up to 13 weeks, so I ca…
Yotta likely doesn't solve the issue you bumped into though
Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta
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#132TreasuryDirect doesn't have an API, so there's no way to implement this without storing your users' TreasuryDirect passwords. How do you protect those passwords? With reference to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/363.17 , what recourse would I have if I use your service and my TreasuryDirect account is compromised as a result? Your other products include FDIC insurance via Evolve Bank & Trust. I can't imagine…
> If anyone wants to control their Treasury Direct directly without Yotta, they can request it, and we will transfer over their account to no longer be managed by Yotta. This implies the bonds are stored on their account, not the end users
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#133The 10k limit means you'd be lucky to earn 1k a year on I bonds. Hardly worth the hassle if you have a 100k+ portfolio. I wish instead of QE the government would let people buy much higher amounts of I bonds instead. Seems like a great way to hand out money to people directly instead of via banks.
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#134Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta
#135TreasuryDirect doesn't have an API, so there's no way to implement this without storing your users' TreasuryDirect passwords. How do you protect those passwords? With reference to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/363.17 , what recourse would I have if I use your service and my TreasuryDirect account is compromised as a result? Your other products include FDIC insurance via Evolve Bank & Trust. I can't imagine…
> If anyone wants to control their Treasury Direct directly without Yotta, they can request it, and we will transfer over their account to no longer be managed by Yotta. This implies the bonds are stored on their account, not the end users
Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. And since the next rate will be more like 6% (EDIT: divided twice in my original post), anybody expecting 9.62% APY (which has "year" in the name) is likely to be disappointed. Let's say you buy today and hold for one year. You get 4.81% after 6 months and then like 1.5% for the next 6 months (you lose three months of interest when you sell if you aren't holding for 5 years). And then you have to pay federal tax…
Check "Current composite rates" on https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/i-bonds... The current rate of 9.62% is the lowest it's ever been, and its never changed drastically. It's just FUD to claim that it'll drop to 3%. Also, you're locked in, you can't touch the money for a year, and there's a penalty for withdraw before year 5. It's designed as a safe saving instrument, not a stock market replacemen…
Recommend doing the math yourself as a sanity check using the composite rate formula in conjunction with historical fixed and semiannual inflation rate tables. The implication is that either the composite rate formula or the historical composite rate table is in gross error, where the latter is much more likely given a naive understanding of what the instrument's intent is.
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#138I hope everyone reading this post knows how easy it is for Yotta to open any account at any other brokerage with this information. From there, they could initiate a transfer from your OTHER (non-Yotta) brokerages and drain your account. It really is that easy with the in-kind (or ACAT) process. Even if Yotta isn't nefarious, they could be hacked and a bad actor could use your data to accomplish the same thing. I reco…
Yeah, this is crazy. Do not have 3rd parties do this on your behalf. That said, I just tried to sign up for a Treasury Direct account, and while it was 'successful,' I immediately got an email saying they could not verify some of my information and so my account was on hold pending receipt of a notarized form I have to mail. For my protection. It says the average approval time for this form is up to 13 weeks, so I ca…
Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Check "Current composite rates" on https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/i-bonds... The current rate of 9.62% is the lowest it's ever been, and its never changed drastically. It's just FUD to claim that it'll drop to 3%. Also, you're locked in, you can't touch the money for a year, and there's a penalty for withdraw before year 5. It's designed as a safe saving instrument, not a stock market replacemen…
> The current rate of 9.62% is the lowest it's ever been, and its never changed drastically. Recommend doing the math yourself as a sanity check using the composite rate formula in conjunction with historical fixed and semiannual inflation rate tables. The implication is that either the composite rate formula or the historical composite rate table is in gross error, where the latter is much more likely given a naive…
Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The current rate of 9.62% is the lowest it's ever been, and its never changed drastically. Recommend doing the math yourself as a sanity check using the composite rate formula in conjunction with historical fixed and semiannual inflation rate tables. The implication is that either the composite rate formula or the historical composite rate table is in gross error, where the latter is much more likely given a naive…
Can you explain where you think the math error is on https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/i-bonds... under the “ An example” section?
In my previous remark, turns out that the root of the error was in too quickly and incorrectly concluding (admittedly having never purchased these bonds before and only learning of them this year as we went into a bear market) that both the fixed and inflation rate components were subject to change every six months.
It wasn't until I saw your follow-up today and attempted to revisit details without bias that I noticed this linked chart[1] which made it immediately clear what critical bit of conditional detail I had missed, that is, the fixed rate component is determined at the time of initial bond purchase and persists unchanged for the life of the instrument...whoops!
To be fair, my original remark was in response to your assertion that "the current rate of 9.62% is the lowest it's ever been, and its never changed drastically." Even with my now corrected understanding, this assertion still doesn't stand in my mind given the linked table demonstrates that the prevailing 9.62% composite rate approaches historically high levels independent of original purchase date, and although variable returns ranging from 0% to 10+% depending on issue date is agreeably not drastic to someone as young as me, it's nevertheless pretty subjective, e.g. if you bought between 05/20-10/20, you'd have seen variable APY ranging from 1.06% to 9.62%, which is objectively pretty volatile.
[1] https://www.treasurydirect.gov/files/savings-bonds/i-bond-ra...