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Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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It seems that the only benefit of moving the proprietary driver into firmware in the near term is to reduce friction for distros. Canonical or RedHat may be able to provide better out of the best experience to their customers. Doesn't change things too much otherwise. Will be a while before anything is mainlined. Increasingly, open source for hardware just means shoving things into firmware. Holds true for CPUs, GPUs…

Valve as well.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently upgraded from a laptop that also had Kepler + i7 Haswell iGPU, to a laptop with an 11th gen Intel iGPU, and the graphics performance of the new laptop is way better than the old one, even compared to running the proprietary NVidia drivers on the old laptop. I'd definitely recommend upgrading.

thanks! honestly all i use this for is personal web browsing, minecraft, stardew, and a bit of brutal doom to blow off some steam :). for me its perfect and i got it maxed out at 32GB of ram and the quad core i7. one day i'll upgrade, maybe when all the kids are in public school and my wife has graduated law school. right now i'm paying a pre school and a law school tuition on a single income (as well as mortgage etc…

I bought a Kepler GPU in 2012, and it's been my most valuable technology purchase ever. It can even handle 3D game development in Godot. I only run free software on my desktop, including firmware, and nouveau works really well. Now I see that Kepler is even in-scope for the potential next-generation drivers, which is really considerate of the developers toward all the people who have stuck with it to avoid signed firmware.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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On the contrary, "we" have been repeatedly told by Jonathan Corbet, that posting to HN is perfectly fine. Stop making things up and creating Internet drama.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31852477

sounds like he is fine with it as long as it comes with subscriptions, which makes sense. Maybe my suggestion should have been to subscribe and I wouldn't have been flagged. :)

EDIT: can I please get an explanation of what I've done wrong? Is it too meta?

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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It seems that the only benefit of moving the proprietary driver into firmware in the near term is to reduce friction for distros. Canonical or RedHat may be able to provide better out of the best experience to their customers. Doesn't change things too much otherwise. Will be a while before anything is mainlined. Increasingly, open source for hardware just means shoving things into firmware. Holds true for CPUs, GPUs…

"Just" shoving things into firmware at least means the closed-source code runs on a different CPU, often (but not always) isolated from main memory, often (but not always) with no network access, which the main CPU often (but not always) has the ability to power-cycle.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

#26

I really wish nouveau were in a better state. I have a positively ancient laptop with a 8600M nvidia chipset that just will not reliably operate with the nouveau driver. Instead, I have to use https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy to patch and install the proprietary drivers.

Wow, thanks for this. I have an aging Thinkpad W510 which could benefit from this.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

#27

>> GPU may allow creating a cross-platform compute stack That was the intention of OpenCL.

except writing in opencl is a dogshit experience compared to cuda. khronos is incapable of producing an API that's even remotely pleasant to use, vulkan suffers from the same thing. it is one of the worst "design by committee" groups.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

#28

It seems that the only benefit of moving the proprietary driver into firmware in the near term is to reduce friction for distros. Canonical or RedHat may be able to provide better out of the best experience to their customers. Doesn't change things too much otherwise. Will be a while before anything is mainlined. Increasingly, open source for hardware just means shoving things into firmware. Holds true for CPUs, GPUs…

If it makes the hardware work to its design everywhere, reliably, and offloads complexity from the CPU, isn't that all good things? It's not like Nvidia is going to open source their silicon.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, "we" have been repeatedly told by Jonathan Corbet, that posting to HN is perfectly fine. Stop making things up and creating Internet drama.

> It's nice to see LWN on HN for the second time in one day, but please remember: it is only LWN subscribers that make this kind of writing possible. If you are enjoying it, please consider becoming a subscriber yourself — or, even better, getting your employer to subscribe. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31852477 sounds like he is fine with it as long as it comes with subscriptions, which makes sense. Maybe my…

I didn't flag or downvote you so I'm only speculating, but I suspect it was killed/flagged for being misinformation. Many people just skim, and don't verify info before spreading it, so a comment like yours could cause it to spread and in this case may cause friction/drama. Again, just speculating.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

#30

It seems that the only benefit of moving the proprietary driver into firmware in the near term is to reduce friction for distros. Canonical or RedHat may be able to provide better out of the best experience to their customers. Doesn't change things too much otherwise. Will be a while before anything is mainlined. Increasingly, open source for hardware just means shoving things into firmware. Holds true for CPUs, GPUs…

Valve as well.

I just got a Steam Deck. My hope was a PC gaming experience that worked with less than 5 minutes of fiddling to get a game running. I figured it would be disappointing. The UI is buggy and the first hour was rough. Once everything settled in, though, it's been a pleasant experience.

The nicest, best thing is that the suspend button just works flawlessly. I can imagine the only reason that's the case is because Valve had control of the kernel drivers and firmware. Maybe they had to sign NDA agreements with their vendors to do that work. If their changes trickle down into the vendors' firmware blobs for consumer facing hardware, they'll have compensated a bit for the technical debt of other companies, made the world a bit better.

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