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SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by lostmsu »

onepointsixC wrote: post #122
dsign wrote: post #27

This is not Meta demanding to see some privilege information that exists in Simula's drawers, but rather commandeering the entire competing organization to do market research for Meta. It is clever and evil, and nothing anybody says after this will make me think that Meta is not anti-competitive nor that they have an once of ethics. As a consumer, I doubt I will ever again consider their VR products; I rather give my…

This seems like a wildly emotional response that is completely out of line with what is being asked. The FTC is suing Meta, and it has a right to get other companies to admit that they are in fact competitors to Meta in the VR Space. SimulaVR is being pretty bad faith in claiming that: "Meta sells reasonably good gaming headsets to customers who want to be entertained in VR; we're selling general-purpose productivity…

The latter is a different target market though.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by colejohnson66 »

unknownaccount wrote: post #139
colejohnson66 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one is accused of antitrust practices (as Meta is by the FTC), your defense is to show that there's actually competition. It's not that Meta that wants the documents for corporate espionage (or whatever), but that they want to prove that SimulaVR is competing just fine in the market that contains Meta. This is explained in the article, which many here clearly didn't read past the headline. This is roughly the same…

What happens if SimulaVR tells these lawyers to pound sand? I cannot imagine if I ran a small buisness and I was the victim of this how I would afford it.

You're found in contempt of court. If you disagree with the subpoena, you're allowed to file that with the court, and the judge will review it.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

You need to get a lawyer.

I am not a lawyer, but I annoy them daily.

You can decide not to appear, but you can be held in contempt. Note that your subpoena comes from the court, not Meta.

You need to get the lawyer to negotiate down what to provide. The first salvo is always everything, including the kitchen sink.

You need a lawyer to know to whom to talk to. You need to get the lawyer to negotiate the expenses associated with this.

Read Rule 45 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_45) much of what you describe (distance, financial burden) are addressed there.

Did I mention, you need a lawyer?

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by kanetw »

romanhn wrote: post #138
kanetw wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course anything Meta does is a bit worrisome. I just don't think we're in the same niche-- IMO Meta is fundamentally built on data collection, and VR is just a side effect. Unless Meta decides to abandon that, I think we'll have a niche.

This is similar to saying "Facebook is fundamentally built on data collection, and social networking is just a side effect." Technically true, but not much consolation for all the social networks that didn't go all in on advertising and perished. Wish you the best of luck either way, this is an exciting area and more competition is great. They definitely are competition though.

Yeah, of course, it's a tough space to be in. Just saying that we need to carve out a niche where Meta can't compete vs try to fight Meta head on.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by kanetw »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #146

You need to get a lawyer. I am not a lawyer, but I annoy them daily. You can decide not to appear, but you can be held in contempt. Note that your subpoena comes from the court, not Meta. You need to get the lawyer to negotiate down what to provide. The first salvo is always everything, including the kitchen sink. You need a lawyer to know to whom to talk to. You need to get the lawyer to negotiate the expenses assoc…

First thing we did was get a lawyer.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by unknownaccount »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #142
unknownaccount wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if SimulaVR tells these lawyers to pound sand? I cannot imagine if I ran a small buisness and I was the victim of this how I would afford it.

You're found in contempt of court. If you disagree with the subpoena, you're allowed to file that with the court, and the judge will review it.

I suppose this is why it’s a bad idea to run any company from the USA. Being victimized by their corrupt legal system at your own expense… This sort of thing doesn’t happen when you run your company from behind Tor and use crypto for payment.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by kanetw »

nailer wrote: post #143

Off topic but their product seems awesome - VR computers specifically designed for coding, including displaying small text, running Linux, etc. Beats working from a coding laptop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x293SiEdv4M&t=25s

It's a bit tooting my own horn but when I first put on the prototype it was really satisfying. Incredibly crisp.
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