It's disheartening and infuriating to see even after the last president is gone the racism against LatinX people still exists. Not just at the border. This is probably a good time to abolish racist standardized system.
SAT score distributions in Michigan
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Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#122I think as a society we need to admit different race, in general, have different culture, values, and strengths. I don't even think that's a radical idea, but somehow it is. I have been watching this football competition youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbljwLslYI The fun and athleticism you see is awe-inspiring, but I haven't seen a single Asian person competing or even at the event. My guess is a m…
It's not racial, it's cultural, socio-economic, and historical. Things like redlining, jim crow, GI Bill (lack-there-of for black people after WW2) all directly lead to the huge educational/economic inequality we see today. That said, it's clearly not racial based, because you can take a look at various non-American black populations and see big differences in educational levels and cultural values. For example, Nige…
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that, where one lives can impact the funding available to even provide basic education. We are too comfortable letting poor areas have underfunded schools.
This is a commonly held myth but the numbers don't bear it out. Poor areas tend to be in cities and cities tend to have lots of commercial buildings that pay tax but do not send kids to school. Atlanta, where I live, spends 30%* more per pupil in APS than the surrounding suburban counties do. That's typical for American cities. *Or so. I'm going off memory.
But urban schools are more expensive to run for many reasons including social pathology (metal detectors became widespread in some cities in the 1980s) as well as generally high operating costs.
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#124I think I'm mostly surprised to see how many of the "White" scores are so low, and so far behind "Asians," after years of hearing that the test is biased towards white / Anglo / native-English speakers raised in Western culture. I'm also reminded that I (like probably most people commenting on Hacker News) exist in a really small bubble in which everyone I closely associate with was in the top two bands (after going…
I was surprised that Asians only make up 4.6% of the total students, where Whites are nearly 69%. I'm not sure that we can make too many observations about Asians when the sample is so low.
Might be interesting to see how those demographics compare in CA where Asians are 16.91% of the population. (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/asian-popul...)
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Standardized tests aren't perfect but there isn't anything better. There's no better way for a poor kid with high drive to compete with rich kids. That's why MIT decided to bring back scores in admission. There isn't a better solution.
Lower the ceiling and admit by lottery. End the artificial scarcity in education. Tax the rich to fund it.
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#126I have another spin on it. Of those demographics, asians tend to be very recent migrants ( https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/09/asian-ameri... ) and migrants tend to be very hard-working within the first generation of migration ( https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2012/07/12/ten-way... ). Some of this could be selection bias (those who choose to move are those who are motivated to seek a better lif…
> I did get a little confused from how we went from Asians doing well in Michigan means the PRC is going to dominate the engineering sector. There seems to be an implication that these are connected. Its my understanding that these demographic data would represent South, SE, and East Asia as part of the same demographic. No, I think his observations about Asians doing well on the SAT in Michigan is unrelated to his p…
if it's any help, Gaokao is a much, much harder test than SAT, and there's only 1 test in a year, so an average Chinese (or Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese,... as they all have the same thing) in general would do much better than your average American in SAT
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#127The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. The stratification is more granular than Asian versus Black or White versus Native America. For example, Jewish students excel beyond the Caucasian average while Cambodian and other Southeast Asian Immigrants perform significantly below the national average for Asian Americans. The challenge…
I may be the exception to this: my parents did not care at all, and I still scored really well on the SAT. I don't remember exactly what b/c I can't look up the score anymore, apparently, but definitely above 1500.
I also did not care much as a student. I don't think I am remarkable here, I think I just took the test really well. I did do one short practice course that taught some of the small tricks to the test (most common problem patterns, to leave blank if you are really not sure, to come back to the question at the end, etc..) which I think probably helped for like 100pts at least.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm having trouble coming up with the right words to make my point. But, to me, this application says "my parents made me do a lot of shit" more than it says that this person is exceptional. What's this kid's resume if he's born in the hood to a single mom instead of a Boston suburb to an associate partner at IBM? Try: speculative, imaginary, and unsubstantiated by evidence. Stereotypical, if you’re feeling adventu…
Yes, that's what we do when translating accomplishments to ability
Perhaps, but more germane here: it’s also being used by you to discredit real accomplishments with hypothetical ones.
I’m not discounting that you could be right, just that you could be right in a totally contrived scenario.
Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#129The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. The stratification is more granular than Asian versus Black or White versus Native America. For example, Jewish students excel beyond the Caucasian average while Cambodian and other Southeast Asian Immigrants perform significantly below the national average for Asian Americans. The challenge…
> score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. Test prep has diminishing marginal returns. On the flip side that means just 1 hour of prep makes a big impact. This is what research has found and why a lot of focus is on getting kids to do any studying for anything at all. Many kids do zero homework and zero studying. Getting them to 1 is the hardest part. This is the biggest…
Right, I think this is true. I scored really well on my SAT despite being a poor student and having parents that did not give a fuck at all, b/c I did just some minor prep for the test.
Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#130I think as a society we need to admit different race, in general, have different culture, values, and strengths. I don't even think that's a radical idea, but somehow it is. I have been watching this football competition youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbljwLslYI The fun and athleticism you see is awe-inspiring, but I haven't seen a single Asian person competing or even at the event. My guess is a m…
Race is probably useless in that list. There’s definitely some credence to culture and values however.