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Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by rmah »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #62
indymike wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why massive companies like Meta and Alphabet needs to be nationalised. No. Giving this additional power to the government will not have the outcome you want. When something becomes too powerful, the solution is not to further concentrate that power into less accountable hands.

> into less accountable hands. While I'm not totally behind "nationalize all the things", do you really think the government is less accountable than Meta? (or Alphabet etc?) I guess that raises the question "accountable to whom", but in general, for all it's problems with accountability (and there are many), and acknolwedging that different US governments can stack up differently (say local vs federal) -- I'd still…

Why would you risk everything to start a company only to be forced to give up most of it to other people? Why would others invest (i.e. buy stock) in your company only to give up control to non-owners?

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by NKosmatos »

Another day and again another complaint about lack of proper (human) support from a big company. When are we all going to realize that Facebook, Apple, Google and all the big names use automated moderating and they don't want to allocate resources for proper moderation? They're not going to put in place a proper resolution mechanism and they don't care about the average user that got his/her email banned, page deleted or app removed. I'm sure they're checking the numbers and the false positives/negatives are not that many that would require for these big companies to put something in place so as to not lose profit. Let's all of us stop complaining and accept the current situation or even better find a cheap solution to real human moderation :-)

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by bks »

We had a similar issue but not identical which led us to deploying all customers on a subdomain or their own domain. Rather than theirBusinessName.OurDomain.com people switched to shop.theirBusinessName.com and we used DNS cnames to point back to our servers.

We issued LetsEncrypt certificates automatically using Caddy and it works remarkably well for us. It also led us to become a paid LetsEncrypt sponsor and we have been for the past 4 years.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by rendaw »

danpalmer wrote: post #38

Fun story. At my previous company we had "Sign in with Facebook" – whatever your opinions on it are, it was probably the right thing for the company at that time. Facebook decided to "audit" us to make sure we were doing sign in right. The tested it incorrectly, told us we were at fault and needed to fix it, and gave us 2 weeks to do so. We scrambled to figure out what the issue was, only to find after they eventuall…

Who on Facebook's side resolved the problem in the end?

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by CelticBard »

dymk wrote: post #65
martin_a wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their support for paying clients is much better. It would really be a shame if something was to happen to your domain in our ecosystem because you're not a paying partner. They're mobsters.

You think you should get everything for free or something?

Yes

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by CharlesW »

NKosmatos wrote: post #72

Another day and again another complaint about lack of proper (human) support from a big company. When are we all going to realize that Facebook, Apple, Google and all the big names use automated moderating and they don't want to allocate resources for proper moderation? They're not going to put in place a proper resolution mechanism and they don't care about the average user that got his/her email banned, page delete…

Apple is nothing like Facebook and Google in this respect. One of the reasons I gladly pay a premium for Apple products is that I can talk with a human, over the phone or at an Apple Store.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by polygamous_bat »

rmah wrote: post #71
jrochkind1 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> into less accountable hands. While I'm not totally behind "nationalize all the things", do you really think the government is less accountable than Meta? (or Alphabet etc?) I guess that raises the question "accountable to whom", but in general, for all it's problems with accountability (and there are many), and acknolwedging that different US governments can stack up differently (say local vs federal) -- I'd still…

Why would you risk everything to start a company only to be forced to give up most of it to other people? Why would others invest (i.e. buy stock) in your company only to give up control to non-owners?

The founders and the employees are still being paid for their hard work building it up; it's not like a hostile government takeover where Mark Zuckerberg is woken up in his bed one night and asked by some men in uniform to hand over the keys to Facebook.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by polygamous_bat »

indymike wrote: post #53
psychoslave wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalization is not necessary more concentration and less many accountable hands. Well, it depends on the governance obviously. If you talk some autocratic regime, where the king proclaimed "I am the state", that fits your description for sure. On the other hand, if you are looking at a direct democracy regime, you could hardly make the power more pervasive, and every citizen has to carry its part of accountabilit…

> Well, it depends on the governance obviously. Three reasons why nationalization is a bad idea: * Power disparity. As it is, Facebook is destroying people and business without any accountability. Now we hand that to the state who: * Has all the incentive to destroy anything that competes, and the government has the ultimate way to do it: just outlaw the competition. If you think the product is bad today, imagine how…

> the government has the ultimate way to do it: just outlaw the competition

> So, it becomes oppressive and horrible and the government decides, hey, let's make everyone use this thing for essential services like payments and democracy

These things can only fly in a non functioning democracy, which, while the US is coming dangerously close to, is not there yet.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by bombcar »

bks wrote: post #73

We had a similar issue but not identical which led us to deploying all customers on a subdomain or their own domain. Rather than theirBusinessName.OurDomain.com people switched to shop.theirBusinessName.com and we used DNS cnames to point back to our servers. We issued LetsEncrypt certificates automatically using Caddy and it works remarkably well for us. It also led us to become a paid LetsEncrypt sponsor and we hav…

This is the way to do it. And if you're charging anything reasonable for SaaS service consider just registering a domain for your customers if they can't figure out how to delegate a subdomain CNAME.
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