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Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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We have been asked a few times not to post SubscriberLinks to hackernews, lwn submissions tend to make their way into the public anyway, with a 2 week delay for non-subscribers. Continuing to post these articles has some potential for financial harm to the project and may prevent such articles being written in future.

The only people I’ve seen ask that have been normal subscribers, not contributors or even owners. So, I feel like you might need to source your statement.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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We have been asked a few times not to post SubscriberLinks to hackernews, lwn submissions tend to make their way into the public anyway, with a 2 week delay for non-subscribers. Continuing to post these articles has some potential for financial harm to the project and may prevent such articles being written in future.

On the contrary, "we" have been repeatedly told by Jonathan Corbet, that posting to HN is perfectly fine. Stop making things up and creating Internet drama.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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We have been asked a few times not to post SubscriberLinks to hackernews, lwn submissions tend to make their way into the public anyway, with a 2 week delay for non-subscribers. Continuing to post these articles has some potential for financial harm to the project and may prevent such articles being written in future.

> We have been asked a few times not to post SubscriberLinks to hackernews, lwn submissions tend to make their way into the public anyway, with a 2 week delay for non-subscribers. Who is "we"? There's been numerous threads in LWN posts that state that posting subscriber links to hackernews is in fact encouraged by LWN. So you seem to be stating the reverse of what is general knowledge.

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Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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We have been asked a few times not to post SubscriberLinks to hackernews, lwn submissions tend to make their way into the public anyway, with a 2 week delay for non-subscribers. Continuing to post these articles has some potential for financial harm to the project and may prevent such articles being written in future.

How about, if noone posts these links, noone will read their articles, hence noone will care to pay in the future?

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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It seems that the only benefit of moving the proprietary driver into firmware in the near term is to reduce friction for distros. Canonical or RedHat may be able to provide better out of the best experience to their customers. Doesn't change things too much otherwise. Will be a while before anything is mainlined.

Increasingly, open source for hardware just means shoving things into firmware. Holds true for CPUs, GPUs, and wifi cards.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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firmware = simple, but not simpler than required to do a good enough job, hardware programming interface on complex chips.

You need software jingle room to fix things on complex chips, which is very true for SOC and GPU and now CPU, hence one of the main reasons for firwmare to be. But going beyond that sole purpose of presenting a hardware programming interface is a slippy slop, for instance the CPU user digital jails.

Many simpler chips can expose a hardware programming interface which does not require a firmware though.

I have not read on what is the nvidia hardware programming interface is since now we have open source code, but rumors say it is orders of magnitude simpler than for AMD GPUs (which is still kind of a mess).

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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I have a Kepler laptop gpu using nouveau and the 2d experience is great. Even after reclocking it’s only just as performant as my haswell i7 iGPU with worse OpenGL support. That being said all I play is Minecraft and Stardew so it doesn’t bother me much.

I will be happier in the future getting better support. Either that or getting a newer laptop!

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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I have a Kepler laptop gpu using nouveau and the 2d experience is great. Even after reclocking it’s only just as performant as my haswell i7 iGPU with worse OpenGL support. That being said all I play is Minecraft and Stardew so it doesn’t bother me much. I will be happier in the future getting better support. Either that or getting a newer laptop!

I recently upgraded from a laptop that also had Kepler + i7 Haswell iGPU, to a laptop with an 11th gen Intel iGPU, and the graphics performance of the new laptop is way better than the old one, even compared to running the proprietary NVidia drivers on the old laptop. I'd definitely recommend upgrading.

Re: NVIDIA and nouveau

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I have a Kepler laptop gpu using nouveau and the 2d experience is great. Even after reclocking it’s only just as performant as my haswell i7 iGPU with worse OpenGL support. That being said all I play is Minecraft and Stardew so it doesn’t bother me much. I will be happier in the future getting better support. Either that or getting a newer laptop!

I recently upgraded from a laptop that also had Kepler + i7 Haswell iGPU, to a laptop with an 11th gen Intel iGPU, and the graphics performance of the new laptop is way better than the old one, even compared to running the proprietary NVidia drivers on the old laptop. I'd definitely recommend upgrading.

thanks! honestly all i use this for is personal web browsing, minecraft, stardew, and a bit of brutal doom to blow off some steam :). for me its perfect and i got it maxed out at 32GB of ram and the quad core i7.

one day i'll upgrade, maybe when all the kids are in public school and my wife has graduated law school. right now i'm paying a pre school and a law school tuition on a single income (as well as mortgage etc.). i would be excited about an amd framework laptop. i guess i will have to wait until they get their usb stuff straight though.

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