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The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Does the US have any state or federal laws that don't benefit the wealthy at least as much as a regular citizen? As far as I'm aware, even laws for the small business play into the favor of larger corporations either directly or via auxiliary laws.

Progressive taxation?

+1 for being the most concise rebuttal. What an asinine statement that poster made

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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One under-appreciated limitation on digital movies is geographic restrictions. You buy a bunch of iTunes movies in Canada, then move to the USA, and you no longer have the right to watch them anymore due to licensing. Another significant issue with digital movies and games is the inability to resell the content once you're done with it. You can sell your DVDs at a yard sale or on eBay but not your iTunes movies. IMO,…

Unfortunately geolocking isn't new or unique to the pure bits movie format. DVDs were regionally locked as well and even analog media like VHS tapes used color encoding formats that were specific in different regions (NTSC vs PAL vs SECAM). That said, the situation is quite a bit worse now as the modern DRM is harder to circumvent and geolocking more granular than ever before. But the intent to lock us down was alway…

That's like saying Bollywood movies are regionally-locked because I don't speak Hindi

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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It's not a "deception" if you understand that you don't really "own" digital content. I will "buy" it if I think I'll watch it again - soon. But there are so many good movies and TV shows that I rarely re-watch anything.

> It's not a "deception" if you understand that you don't really "own" digital content. No, it's the wrong word regardless, and in any event I seriously doubt that the average consumer actually understands that they're being lied to.

I agree that it's the wrong word. But "Buy" fits in a small button, whereas "Rent for a longer time" doesn't. Perhaps "Rent+" with that as a tooltip?

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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> if I can sell a digital item and lose access in the process Which is exactly the problem with digital media – how do you prove that to the satisfaction of everybody involved, i.e. especially the rightsholders? On the one hand, the fact that almost all of the music market and parts of the e-book market for example operate without DRM shows that in those cases the publishers/labels have somewhat resigned themselves t…

> Which is exactly the problem with digital media – how do you prove that to the satisfaction of everybody involved, i.e. especially the rightsholders? The platform and DRM. The single one use of DRM that would make sense, and it's disregarded. > it would likely restrict the choice of software players I'm confused. This has nothing to do with the matter at hand. For music, we've thankfully moved past DRM. For movies,…

> I'm confused. This has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

Sorry, my fault, but I was looking at things from a more general perspective, as my impression is that there's not much of a second-hand market for non-DRM'd digital media, either.

Plus I was bringing up music in order to make a point that I wouldn't want to give up the lack of DRM just so I could more easily disprove any suspicion of copyright violation if I was to sell my music collection.

You're right though that given the situation we're currently in specifically with regards to movies and TV shows, DRM with transferrable licenses would still be better than the current situation we're in.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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The iTunes Store continues to be the only reputable place to buy movies, mainly because they allow downloads (except 4K...but I digress). In the past, redownloading movies wasn't even permitted. You download it and save it somewhere yourself. You can still do that to avoid any issues in the future, but I suspect the few incidents that have affected the iTunes Store are unlikely to re-occur. Why? For exactly the reaso…

Vudu while it was owned by Wal-Mart was quite reputable for purchasing digital movies and TV for some similar reasons to following iTunes' lead and was at times "the blue collar iTunes Movie Store".

Vudu's current owner, Fandango Media, I have a lot less trust in because they have burnt a few bridges with previous digital movies sites (including one of their same brand; they briefly ran a Fandango branded digital movies app that closed without much notice or refunds, to be rebooted as FandangoNOW months later, in part because they bet on UltraViolet and didn't want to just convert UltraViolet purchases to Movies Anywhere like Vudu and iTunes did during that same time). So far Vudu has still seemed to be doing well under the new ownership, but that distrust in the new owner still sews seeds of doubt.

Speaking of Movies Anywhere, that is still an assurance that I trust when making purchase decisions. Even after UltraViolet died, possibly especially because UltraViolet died (and the way at least iTunes and Vudu handled that transition). Movies Anywhere seems to have won out because it is technologically simpler. Plus the Disney backing seems to work in its favor as Disney has some reason to make sure Movies Anywhere does right by families and doesn't tarnish their brand by association. I'm a little less particular which store I buy from if it supports Movies Anywhere. For movies that still aren't yet Movies Anywhere I'm much more cautious. (This was why I avoided Steam's brief foray into movies, for example. They worked with non-Movies Anywhere studios and it didn't feel all that shocking when the experiment failed and Steam stopped selling movies.)

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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The iTunes Store continues to be the only reputable place to buy movies, mainly because they allow downloads (except 4K...but I digress). In the past, redownloading movies wasn't even permitted. You download it and save it somewhere yourself. You can still do that to avoid any issues in the future, but I suspect the few incidents that have affected the iTunes Store are unlikely to re-occur. Why? For exactly the reaso…

Can you play those downloaded movies outside of Apple hardware/software?

iTunes is a Movies Anywhere partner and if you connect your Movies Anywhere account you can download iTunes purchased Movies Anywhere films (most but not all studios today) in other Movies Anywhere partnered apps.

I don't think any of the other Movies Anywhere apps support sharing/playing the exact same downloaded file, but cross-app downloads are supported (buy on iTunes and download on Xbox Movies or Vudu or whatever).

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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I currently have a 5.1 setup, and I want your opinion. Do you think 7.1 or 5.1.2 with on-ceiling speakers would be better? I'm leaning toward 5.1.2.

Really depends on the room, your personal taste, and the source material. Do you have room in the room for the side speakers? Do you watch a lot of movies with planes or other things flying over your head? I don't have gear that can decode Atmos, unfortunately, so I haven't tried ceiling speakers myself - only at movie theaters. Why not 7.1.2? =)

My receiver only has 7 channels or I would totally do 7.1.4 :) One day.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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We already have exactly this system for library e-book lending. There is a queue of people on the waitlist for a book and once loan period for the current reader is expires it is automatically loaned (no scare quotes because it is in every way a loan) to the next person in the queue. I don’t see why the same couldn’t be done for other forms of media. Movies, albums, maybe even software licenses. This system will like…

I don't disagree with any of this. The mechanisms that ensure that only one person at a time can consume the content in question provide appropriate friction to mirror most of the limitations of physical media. I'm not a fan of the walled gardens of streaming and the you-own-nothing credo that goes with it. I'm just saying that we need to be fair to all sides with the solution.

Even with non-streaming media, I invite you to share a 5GB movie with a friend of yours without any "friction". The best you can probably do is upload to your personal "cloud" (20 minutes? what's your uplink speed?) and share a link for them to download (what's their download speed) and then move it to whatever device they want to watch it on.

Sharing credentials on streaming services has happened exactly because it is the most seamless way to do it.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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The ability to upgrade was only available for songs purchaseable as DRM-free on iTunes. I still have tracks in my library with the DRM because the distributor went out of business, making it impossible to upgrade.

Oh wow. Which tracks?

On Linux nowadays, but last time I was on macOS with iTunes I has an album of Australian folk rock that still had DRM, were still an old bitrate, and not upgradeable to "Plus" (yes, the thing from 2007) or DRM-free.

Re: The deception of “buying” digital movies

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Oh wow. Which tracks?

On Linux nowadays, but last time I was on macOS with iTunes I has an album of Australian folk rock that still had DRM, were still an old bitrate, and not upgradeable to "Plus" (yes, the thing from 2007) or DRM-free.

IIRC, Plus was DRM-free.
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