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Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffusion models
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#422The concern trolling and gatekeeping about social justice issues coming from the so-called "ethicists" in the AI peanut gallery has been utterly ridiculous. Google claims they don't want to release Imagen because it lacks what can only be called "latent space affirmative action". Stability or someone like it will valiantly release this technology, again and there will be absolutely no harm to anyone. Stop being so to…
I think it's actually about brand risk
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#423I agree with many of the arguments in this thread: that model-gatekeeping while publishing approaches seems insincere and just seems like it's daring bad actors to replicate.
However, a common refrain is that AI is like tools like hammers or knives and can be used for good or misused for evil. The potential for weaponizing AI is much much more so than a hammer or a knife. And it's greater than 3D-printing (of guns), maybe even greater than compilers. I would hazard to say it's maybe in the same ballpark as chemical weapons and perhaps less so than nuclear weapons and biological weapons, but this is speculative. Nonetheless, I think these otherwise great arguments are diminished by comparing AI's safety to single-target tools like hammers or knives.
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#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a clear risk from these sorts of models as they get better - I mean recreating specific individuals’ likenesses in compromising images (or even worse, video). We’re not at that point yet, but these things are getting better fast, so it’s only a matter of time. The problem is that there’s no way to mitigate those risks except to keep the model behind an inference-only API, or not release it at all - as soon a…
> There is a clear risk from these sorts of models as they get better - I mean recreating specific individuals’ likenesses in compromising images Been possible on home computers for 31 years for anyone who actually wants to do it. It literally doesn't matter and I think Stability has proven that the "AI Ethics" part of these models was essentially meaningless busy work at best, and at worse stealing compute credits f…
Nobody should trust faked quotes attributed to celebrities or ethnic groups in Twitter or Whatsapp, yet these fakes have ruined political campaigns and led to mass killings. Society doesn't adapt in the way you suggest by people disregarding what you think is irrelevant.
Re: Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffusion models
#425The concern trolling and gatekeeping about social justice issues coming from the so-called "ethicists" in the AI peanut gallery has been utterly ridiculous. Google claims they don't want to release Imagen because it lacks what can only be called "latent space affirmative action". Stability or someone like it will valiantly release this technology, again and there will be absolutely no harm to anyone. Stop being so to…
1. How do you know there will be no harm or is no harm? These issues are not manifesting in a timeline of a few weeks.
2. Why do you think the ethical reasoning is disengenious in Google's case? Even in OpenAI case it could be that originally the ethicist won some battles where business ppl eventually prevailed.
3. Why do you use quotes around a something which is your original phrasing? That's pretty disengenious.
4. What's wrong with affirmative action ? It's easy to argue that it has both utilitarian and other moral adventages. I won't claim it is always warranted or the right thing to do, but it definitely not an obvious consensual evil.
Re: Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffusion models
#426I agree with many of the arguments in this thread: that model-gatekeeping while publishing approaches seems insincere and just seems like it's daring bad actors to replicate. However, a common refrain is that AI is like tools like hammers or knives and can be used for good or misused for evil. The potential for weaponizing AI is much much more so than a hammer or a knife. And it's greater than 3D-printing (of guns),…
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree basically completely, but there’s now a cottage industry of AI Ethics professionals whose real job is to provide a smoke screen for the “cake and eat it too” that the big shops want on this kit: peer review and open source contributions and an academic atmosphere when it suits them, proprietary when it doesn’t. Those folks are a lobby now. The thing about owning the data sets and the huge TPU/A100 clusters is…
This thread is cathartic. I've been feeling uncomfortable with the level of control being sought over the usage of these tools for a while, but didn't want to ruffle the wrong feathers while just getting into AI as a hobby. I think there will be a pretty short window in which all of this hand-waving will be taken seriously. Not because AI won't be used for terrible things (I'm sure it already is) but because consumer…
Exactly. Probably they already started lobbying against selling high end cheap GPUs to the public. No doubt ether going proof of stake is a huge blow to their agenda. They can't claim all those GPUs are just wasting energy for crypto mining. Now they have to come up with different arguments.
I can already see it. Just think of all the energy wasted training AI at home! I can imagine police drones with IR sensors scanning the cities for the heat signatures of illegal AI "farms".
Talking seriously, however they try to spin it, advanced AI (same as every other big scientific/engineering achievement) will be predominantly good. So let's say there is time when AI can create convincing videos of people engaging in various compromising "activities". When this becomes widespread it will give plausible deniability to any potential victim of such attack(with real or deep faked materials) .
In a world where any compromising video or picture can be made with anyone, the value of such materials for wannabee blackmailer diminishes rapidly. However, in a world where there is only few entities that can produce such materials and they do so sparingly those entities get a tool that gives them huge power (especially in democracies where popular opinion decides who governs).
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
I totally agree. People often argue that photoshop has been around forever and so on. Creating sophisticated pornographic video of any individual is brand new. Creating an app that realistically removes clothing from any photo is new technology. I actually just now came up with an idea for a browser plug-in that removes clothing from every image loaded.
The trolling terrifies me. Trolling someone by creating awful video (just think about how deeply, photo-realistically, awful it could be - porn is just the tip of the iceberg) is going to get really bad. I am not sure how this is going to shake out. The easiest will be video of famous people doing awful things. A little harder is doing a custom training on a particular person's likeness, and videos of that person doi…
"The relationship between tyranny and surveillance means we need better governments, not more anonymity."
"Better governments" is not actionable, people have been wanting that since Socratese. Might as well wish for the second coming.
The real answer is to just let people know about the fakery, then they'll stop believing every video and the trolls will be defanged.
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How? Rick says I did not do this, it's an ai fake and I'm being harassed. At that point, assuming people believe Rick, then it's likely he'll receive sympathy and support rather than considerable harm. So there seems to be an implicit assumption here that the risk is faked material where people don't believe it's fake, for some reason. And the fix for that would be to ensure that the easy to use versions of generator…
but when everyone see him, there is always the photo in their brain. this is about goat, but they fake pedo photo? Rick will lose his job first.
That's true only for the first few hundred Ricks. Then people wide up and ignore the child rape videos.
It's inevitable and frankly a hundred Ricks is a price worth paying.
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but when everyone see him, there is always the photo in their brain. this is about goat, but they fake pedo photo? Rick will lose his job first.
Then Rick ought to release the video of his boss fucking that zebra!
ok, in future, when someone reach 18 years old, government will generate video about that guy fuck everything, from stone to zebra, then publishing to internet. no one can hurt by deepfake anymore.