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Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffusion models

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ALittleLight wrote: post #195
trention wrote: post #162

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>Google has no special claim to be able to responsibly use these models Well, they do have the "special claim" of inventing the model and not owing its release to anyone.

First, that isn't a claim of any kind regarding responsible use. If a child is the first one to discover a gun in the woods, that is no kind of claim that the child will use the gun responsibly. Second, Google's invention builds off of public research that was made available to them. They just choose to keep their iterations private.

But there is a claim that not distributing guns to other children or giving them detailed instructions about how to get guns is more responsible than the reverse.

Said "public research" didn't come with a requirement to release anything you build on top of it. This would pretty much be the research equivalent of compelled speech. Luckily, not happening.

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dreadlordbone wrote: post #365
zhynn wrote: post #354

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The trolling terrifies me. Trolling someone by creating awful video (just think about how deeply, photo-realistically, awful it could be - porn is just the tip of the iceberg) is going to get really bad. I am not sure how this is going to shake out. The easiest will be video of famous people doing awful things. A little harder is doing a custom training on a particular person's likeness, and videos of that person doi…

Okay Ned Ludd. You're right that technology is only going to get more powerful. But hasn't this always been true? Who decides when it's over the line? The US government? They clearly aren't the best arbiters of judgement, so who gets to decide "sever consequences"?

Yes, as a general rule the government decides when it's ok to forbid you from doing something. If the US government wants, it can make it a crime to train/use these models. Banning the training part is pretty much game over for this industry.

I personally hope it happens as soon as possible. Intellectual property theft (without which those models don't exists) shouldn't be allowed.

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

melagonster wrote: post #397
origin_path wrote: post #379

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How? Rick says I did not do this, it's an ai fake and I'm being harassed. At that point, assuming people believe Rick, then it's likely he'll receive sympathy and support rather than considerable harm. So there seems to be an implicit assumption here that the risk is faked material where people don't believe it's fake, for some reason. And the fix for that would be to ensure that the easy to use versions of generator…

but when everyone see him, there is always the photo in their brain. this is about goat, but they fake pedo photo? Rick will lose his job first.

Then Rick ought to release the video of his boss fucking that zebra!

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

azinman2 wrote: post #393
dogcomplex wrote: post #363

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Cryptographic trust (combinations of identity proofs, including passport, passwords, social and family networks of vouching, fingerprints, behavioral data, etc) will be the only way to trust any digital information very soon. If it's not vouched for by someone with proof that they're a real person, it's fake.

That’s not how human nature works. Show a video that fits cognitive bias, and the non-technical non-sophisticated people of the world will believe it. And that’s assuming it’s even technically feasible to solve, which it likely isn’t.

Give it a generation, and the new norm will be that video on the internet is as likely to be a lie as text.

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Post by XorNot »

atty wrote: post #288
carlosdp wrote: post #285

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> There is a clear risk from these sorts of models as they get better - I mean recreating specific individuals’ likenesses in compromising images (or even worse, video). This has been possible without AI for a very very long time now (just open photoshop, etc). It barely ever happens, and society hasn't collapsed. I keep seeing this argument come up and it baffles me that informed technologists take it seriously, as…

There is a difference in ease of use. I could never use photoshop to fake something like that even if I wanted to. Further, we have seen harm come from some of this already, there’s a pretty big online community that uses deepfakes to put people in situations they would rather not be in, the most obvious being porn.

Deepfakes have been very accessibly possible since 2019. Corridor did essentially the entire pipeline then: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBiNGufIJw&vl=en

You can download and run this software right now: http://faceswap.dev/ and it will do a better job, and do it on video, then any AI image generator.

The technology is over 3 years old and the world hasn't ended, the harassment hasn't happened. It's so common that your phone runs it for Instagram.

There's this whole narrative here that "this harm is new" and not only is it not new, it's not even better then what we already had.

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Post by TuringTest »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #390
zhynn wrote: post #354

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The trolling terrifies me. Trolling someone by creating awful video (just think about how deeply, photo-realistically, awful it could be - porn is just the tip of the iceberg) is going to get really bad. I am not sure how this is going to shake out. The easiest will be video of famous people doing awful things. A little harder is doing a custom training on a particular person's likeness, and videos of that person doi…

We already have laws against harassment and libel.

That's why the GP is calling for enforcing them.

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Post by jstummbillig »

visarga wrote: post #72
jstummbillig wrote: post #59

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A lot of additional work, because the industry was growing like crazy in tandem.

Exactly. We have a blindspot, we can't imagine second and higher order effects of a new technology. So we're left with first order effects which seem pessimistic for jobs.

I don't think what happened around WP to designers is a strong indicator of what's necessarily gonna happen here.

It certainly could play out similarly but, at some point, if all the work in a field from now on only requires 1/100 of manual labor, people will probably go out of work.

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Post by TuringTest »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #346
zakki wrote: post #316

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I don’t know why you put image and imagination in the same place. It is different. Imagination is the result of thinking. Image is the result of action. We can imagine killing people. Nobody harmed. But killing people in real life?

I can imagine a person killing other people. I can draw a person killing other people. I can make a computer draw a person killing other people. In all three cases, zero people were harmed.

But if you if you spread the image in a forum of haters, you may incite someone to kill that person. That's why there are laws against harassment. The danger is not the existence of an image, it is the act of communication that has consequences.
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