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DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by fny »

This is backwards. We need do this type of investment at the pre-K, elementary, and middle school levels. We need to provide funding to local communities. If all these top tier colleges (I'm looking at squarely my alma mater--Duke--as an example) invested directly in their local communities instead of affirmative action we'd have made far more progress as a nation.

Meanwhile, big tech is gentrifying Durham, people of color are being pushed out, and these companies keep plastering signs everywhere about how they stand for diversity and inclusion.

Science is science. Leave it the fuck alone. Give everyone equal opportunity, and train them to become the best damn scientists they can be. Then give out grants.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by encryptluks2 »

geofft wrote: post #8
throwawaysleep wrote: post #2

You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

I'm not sure this is relevant to the article. It's saying that grant proposals must include plans to promote diversity, not that grant proposals must come from people of any particular race/gender/sexuality.

I believe they already address diversity though in their regulations, so I have a feeling this is indicative that they plan implement quotas which is ultimately discriminatory.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by JetAlone »

throwaway12245 wrote: post #10

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

Yes, these are all important elements of inclusion. For example, if only short people design energy equipment, tall people will hit their heads on it.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by User23 »

JetAlone wrote: post #13
throwaway12245 wrote: post #10

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

Yes, these are all important elements of inclusion. For example, if only short people design energy equipment, tall people will hit their heads on it.

As a tall person I’ve been frustrated by tallism my entire life. I hit my head all the time. And then I’m mocked for slouching!

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by geofft »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #12
geofft wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is relevant to the article. It's saying that grant proposals must include plans to promote diversity, not that grant proposals must come from people of any particular race/gender/sexuality.

I believe they already address diversity though in their regulations, so I have a feeling this is indicative that they plan implement quotas which is ultimately discriminatory.

I'm not sure I see how that's connected to the article or the linked DOE policy - can you expand on what gets you that feeling? It seems to be saying the precise opposite of that, in my reading.

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Post by alfor »

throwaway12245 wrote: post #10

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

Let’s not forget IQ, people with low IQ are very marginalized in the field of physics and mathematics.

Seriously diversity is a mind virus at this point. North america is one the the most diverse, just equitable place that ever existed in the history of humanity.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by pavon »

The DOE has long been a supporter of equality.

  For if the bomb that drops on you
  Gets your friends and neighbors too
  There'll be nobody left behind to grieve

  And we will all go together when we go
  What a comforting fact that is to know
  Universal bereavement -
  An inspiring achievement!
  Yes, we all will go together when we go

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by geofft »

throwaway12245 wrote: post #10

Diversity of what? Thought? Height? Athletic ability? Age? Hair color? Education?

"individuals from diverse backgrounds and groups historically underrepresented in the research community" according to https://science.osti.gov/grants/Applicant-and-Awardee-Resour... , so potentially any of those if you can make that argument, yes.

https://science.osti.gov/SW-DEI/DOE-Diversity-Equity-and-Inc... specifically includes "age, ... diversity of thought, technical expertise, and life experiences."

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Post by ajross »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #2

You also seem to just self declare on most applications, so claim whatever race/gender/sexuality you want. I am gay. Prove me wrong.

> I am gay. Prove me wrong.

The weird thing about this is that you're relying on a clear sense of your own identity (that you are not gay, because if you were you wouldn't challenge someone to prove you wrong, you'd just say it) to deny the value of other people doing the same thing, but with a different answer.

To wit: you're yelling about your own sexuality in an argument about how we shouldn't have to hear about someone else's. You know how all those woke folk talk about "privilege"? That's what privilege is. Trans kids don't get to say stuff like that on the internet, only straight guys.

Re: DOE requires plans to promote diversity from grant applicants

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

A major challenge will be keeping researchers from simply treating the requirement as another box to tick or fobbing the work off on minority scientists, Hodari says. “That’s often people’s first ask,” she says, “to find anyone they think can help them and ask, ‘Do this for us.’” Hodari, who is Black, says she experienced such treatment when she was a postdoc. Much has been written about what actually succeeds in promoting diversity, she says, but it’s the researcher’s responsibility to read the material and take it seriously. “You just got to do your homework,” she says. “I don’t expect someone in middle school to walk into a quantum field theory class and understand tensor math, right?”

How do we end up with someone who was subject to the behaviour we want to avoid, coming up with a set of policies that can be gamed in the way we want to avoid?

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