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Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by simonw »

kranke155 wrote: post #96
kyleyeats wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's really like the 90% are in a race to the bottom and the 10% are in a new field.

Yeah like I said the thing is becoming an AÍ prompt person doesn’t interest me in the least. I trained to be a craftsman that’s what interests me.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

I've seen plenty of talented, experienced artists on various AI subreddits who are incorporating prompt-driven images as a small part of their overall work.

A relevant example: Newgrounds banned AI art: https://waxy.org/2022/09/online-art-communities-begin-bannin... - but they included this exception:

> There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are primarily showcasing your character art but use an AI-generated background.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by Jevon23 »

lbarrow wrote: post #25
egypturnash wrote: post #22

I am a 2d artist and I have similar feelings. Are you as full of loathing for all the HN people saying “just integrate the AI into your practice” as I am? I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I think a strategy of creating an image of AI art as cheap and tacky is useful. For how long, I don’t know. If we’re lucky then it’ll tu…

What's the difference between a human artist walking around in the world, seeing images and videos (many of which are under copyright) and then using those images as inspiration, versus an AI being fed millions of images and videos as part of a large training set? I am not a lawyer but I don't really see the "it's not fair use" argument.

If I can take copyrighted images and feed them into an AI, why can’t I take any code I find online and ignore the license terms and feed it into a compiler? How do you justify the existence of something like the GPL?

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by aeze »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #91
colinmhayes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you’re necessarily supposed to be excited about your job.

Why not?

It's ideal to be excited about it, but I don't think it's the expectation.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by _yasmeen »

egypturnash wrote: post #22

I am a 2d artist and I have similar feelings. Are you as full of loathing for all the HN people saying “just integrate the AI into your practice” as I am? I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I think a strategy of creating an image of AI art as cheap and tacky is useful. For how long, I don’t know. If we’re lucky then it’ll tu…

>Are you as full of loathing for all the HN people saying “just integrate the AI into your practice” as I am? I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead.

I wish it were that simple. As a person who genuinely enjoys being a data scientist, and practices all those skills in a project I create on my own: the industry says otherwise. Integrating a technology into your practice that takes nuance out of it, just really means that managers and c-suites are going to expect you to give more nuance to your choices (which they deadlocked you out of). ML DevOps for the last two years are just me integrating more services.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by throwaway5959 »

Uehreka wrote: post #86
colinmhayes wrote: post #67

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Lump of labor fallacy. Automation is not a zero sum game because it creates new jobs.

I hear this a lot, that “automation creates jobs” chestnut. Whenever people try to support this argument, they either fall into the “not thinking quantitatively” fallacy by pointing out that “sure, 25 writers got laid off, but the company used to have no programmers, and now they have 2!” Or they fall into the “not explaining the mechanism” fallacy by giving examples from the past where “stablehands retrained as mech…

How many people work on farms as a percentage of the population now as they did 100 years ago? We still eat, but now almost no one farms. Most everyone is still employed. We’ll figure something out.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by 0x20cowboy »

exolymph wrote: post #48
egypturnash wrote: post #22

I am a 2d artist and I have similar feelings. Are you as full of loathing for all the HN people saying “just integrate the AI into your practice” as I am? I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I think a strategy of creating an image of AI art as cheap and tacky is useful. For how long, I don’t know. If we’re lucky then it’ll tu…

> I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I'm not sure how to say this in a non-dickish way, but most of us have to do stuff we don't particularly enjoy in order to make a living. I get that it sucks from your vantage point, but like... I'm sure there were stablehands who loved horses and had no interest in becoming mechanics. Sh…

> I'm a writer and equally in danger of automated replacement

Don’t forget about musicians and junior software engineer work…very soon.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by KerrAvon »

shakabrah wrote: post #50
exolymph wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I'm not sure how to say this in a non-dickish way, but most of us have to do stuff we don't particularly enjoy in order to make a living. I get that it sucks from your vantage point, but like... I'm sure there were stablehands who loved horses and had no interest in becoming mechanics. Sh…

The problem with your example is that it assumes there is a place for him to go to. Stable hands becoming mechanics. That is the key concern with automation replacing jobs is that it is a zero sum game.

This discussion usually ends up in "well, let's do UBI"-land, as if that's possible if Republicans get anywhere near control of congress.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by bombcar »

simonw wrote: post #121
kranke155 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah like I said the thing is becoming an AÍ prompt person doesn’t interest me in the least. I trained to be a craftsman that’s what interests me.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I've seen plenty of talented, experienced artists on various AI subreddits who are incorporating prompt-driven images as a small part of their overall work. A relevant example: Newgrounds banned AI art: https://waxy.org/2022/09/online-art-communities-begin-bannin... - but they included this exception: > There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are pr…

Exactly. Craftsmen adapt to new tools. People are still handbuilding furniture with hundred+ year old techniques but there are skilled craftsmen utilizing CAD-driven tools, also.

Re: Ask HN: What am I supposed to do after I’m “disrupted”? Work in video and CG

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Post by pornel »

egypturnash wrote: post #22

I am a 2d artist and I have similar feelings. Are you as full of loathing for all the HN people saying “just integrate the AI into your practice” as I am? I like drawing stuff and I love that this pays my bills and I really have zero interest in becoming a “prompt engineer” instead. I think a strategy of creating an image of AI art as cheap and tacky is useful. For how long, I don’t know. If we’re lucky then it’ll tu…

Questioning legality of the A.I. models won't save you, and is likely to backfire (I'm not saying this is good or fair, but rather prepare to be screwed either way.)

In the worst case corporations will just rebuild the A.I. models from data licensed from stock photo sites, getty, etc. All you can get from this is a one-time bulk-discount payment, and then you will be paying them for use of the model in the next Photoshop.

Plus there are copyright-abusing corporations that jump on any excuse to kill off fair use and scraping, so any attempt to legislate scraping may instead end up creating more Disney copyright and link-tax laws.

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