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Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#61

Can I access my TD account after it's created by Yotta?

Yes just reach out and on request, we can give you full access to your Treasury Direct account any time.

I think this indirectly answered my question. What if Yotta goes out of business or decides to stop supporting this?

We'll just get direct access to our TD account. Doesn't sound like this would happen automatically though? So if you guys suddenly closed shop with no warning, what recourse do we have?

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback and thoughts. I guess those aspects of TD are nice, but if you ever make a mistake, they don't handle it gracefully.

Just curious, how do you handle accounts that require medallion verification to open. Do you stamp it yourself? That could be a nice benefit for people that don't have a brick and mortar bank nearby

We can't support those unfortunately right now. Maybe in the future.

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#64
post #44

I'm curious about how the legalities of this work. If you create a TreasuryDirect account using my SSN, do you then require a durable power of attorney to manage it on my behalf, as laid out in 31 CFR § 363.33? Or are you simply logging in using "my" credentials and performing actions as if you were me? If the latter, are you at all worried about the Treasury Department cracking down on this?

You don't need power of attorney to act on someone's behalf with their explicit permission and instruction. It may be against TreasuryDirect's terms of service (I have no idea, I haven't read them), but there's nothing specifically illegal about this.

Interestingly, TreasuryDirect's terms of service are codified in the Code of Federal Regulations:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/part-363/subpart-B

From a brief reading, having a third party access your TreasuryDirect account does seem problematic:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/363.22

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/363.17

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#66

I'm curious about how the legalities of this work. If you create a TreasuryDirect account using my SSN, do you then require a durable power of attorney to manage it on my behalf, as laid out in 31 CFR § 363.33? Or are you simply logging in using "my" credentials and performing actions as if you were me? If the latter, are you at all worried about the Treasury Department cracking down on this?

We do the latter. Performing actions as if we were you. I am not worried given that.

Well, if the guy selling it isn't worried, we're in the clear, right everyone? /s

I liked the description of the product when I first read it. I really did. But I'm losing confidence the more OP keeps pushing in the comments.

This might be a decent product, but I'm wary of someone who is pushing hard to let them create investment accounts on other platforms on our behalf. It just feels like the kind of thing that when it blows up in the future, hindsight will say, "Why did you let someone do that in the first place?"

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#67
post #10

My wife and I both bought I Bonds directly. It was not exactly a painful or confusing process at all. Granted, the UI/UX of the US government bonds website was not fantastic, but it was certainly usable.

Other than their goofy login page (which you can fix with a 1-liner in greasemonkey), I actually love the TreasuryDirect website. This is maybe a controversial opinion but it's one of my favorite US government websites. The UX is awesome and the layout is simple: no popups, interstitials or other BS. Even better, the page load times and responsiveness are significantly better than any other financial website a visit.…

I 100% agree; the login is goofy, but overall I prefer the site because it uses a relatively simple UI (and isn't concerned with the latest design fad) to show me relatively simple data. I use Ally for retail banking and now the page loads but it takes several (very noticeable) seconds to load my account balances and while it's doing that, I have to wonder how computers which can do literally billions of operations per second with multi-gigabyte network links can take so long to load a single number. I'll take the 1998 look over that any day.

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#68
Yotta looks incredibly similar to what Simple once was (before being bought out and shutdown). The key Simple feature being the ability to allocate and lock portions of bank account holdings to specific goals, so you held it but couldn't spend it. Looks very similar to the buckets.

I loved my Simple account, this looks like a great replacement for it.

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#69
I Bonds are 30 year bonds. Since the I Bond yield of 9.xx% is only guaranteed for the first 6 months, what's the consensus thinking here on a long term hold of them?

Some info I found says:

   I bonds cannot be cashed for one year after purchase. If a bond is cashed in
   year two through five after purchase, the prior three months of interest are
   forfeited.  There is no interest penalty for cashing in the bonds after five
   years.
Sounds like you'd have to hold them for at least 1.25 years then to get a year's worth of interest.

Re: Show HN: Earn 9.62% on US Treasury I Bonds on Yotta

#70
post #69

I Bonds are 30 year bonds. Since the I Bond yield of 9.xx% is only guaranteed for the first 6 months, what's the consensus thinking here on a long term hold of them? Some info I found says: I bonds cannot be cashed for one year after purchase. If a bond is cashed in year two through five after purchase, the prior three months of interest are forfeited. There is no interest penalty for cashing in the bonds after five…

IMO, it's not worth over thinking. The rates are very good, but you are limited to a relatively small amount of money. My wife and I both bought an I bond at the recent rates. If we're lucky, we'll make about $1,000 each on them. You can do a lot with $1,000, but it's not like we're talking about life altering amount of money here (in the context of people who can afford to put $10K in an I bond in the first place). We basically used money that would ordinarily be earning less interest in some kind of emergency-funds checking account.

It probably would not be worthwhile in the grand scheme of things to take $10,000 from some kind of actual investment account and move it over to these I bonds for a brief duration.

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