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Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

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Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

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Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Has this been accompanied by a rise in testosterone by any chance?

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#112

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Seen it in people. It's a quite beautiful side.

Due to a downvote I wish to reaffirm my position: I do see a somewhat warrior-mode-like side of people who are fasting. And I do find it to be beautiful. It’s not bad company.

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#113

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

I know this feeling well. This is a false sense of sharpness caused by undereating. You dont feel hungry or tired, just energized, light and strong. I say false sense of sharpness, because you're actually not that alert. Yes, you can push yourself more, but your brain is in flight/fright mode and not thinking rationally.

Are you sure that that is all there is?

May I point to one paper of many that show proinflammatory cytokines to be reduced due to intermittent fasting?

“Under controlled conditions, [diurnal intermittent fasting] led to significantly decreased plasma levels of cytokines (IL-1β, IL-6, and IL-8), particularly IL-1β and IL-6 across 24 h.” – The effects of diurnal intermittent fasting on proinflammatory cytokine levels while controlling for sleep/wake pattern, meal composition and energy expenditure, 2019: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

There are a bunch more. “intermittent fasting il-6” is a decent search to start with: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=7%2C39&q=int...

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#114

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Has this been accompanied by a rise in testosterone by any chance?

How do you get that measured? Don't think it's in the standard NHS bloodwork men my age get as routine in UK. Does it show up in urine for any OTC tests?

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#115

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

I know this feeling well. This is a false sense of sharpness caused by undereating. You dont feel hungry or tired, just energized, light and strong. I say false sense of sharpness, because you're actually not that alert. Yes, you can push yourself more, but your brain is in flight/fright mode and not thinking rationally.

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Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#116

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Feeding is such an important and complex function, I believe there's also a strong psychological component in fasting. In my case, I'm losing about a pound per week doing light exercise and 15 hours of fasting daily.

Sometimes I've gone to sleep a bit hungry, and I've had dramatic dreams of being weak and emaciated. When I woke up I felt anxious, but just needed to go to the mirror, talk to my subconscious as if it was a child, and show him that we still have a long road to go, but in a few hours there will be a generous breakfast. We're not dying of hunger anytime soon. The anxiety simply vanishes.

These days there's no feeding anxiety anymore, but the subconscious is a very interesting companion. Another night I dreamed that somehow I was at my intended goal, and I didn't know how that happened so fast, and then felt an overwhelming happiness because now I could eat at any hour again! I woke up, and said "Nice try, subconscious", and happily resumed my sleep.

The brain in survival mode acts in funny ways.

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#117
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So IF lost just as much weight as normal dieting. Are you unable to comprehend it that way?

I mean, what weight was lost seems extremely important... let's say you lost the "as much weight" because your foot fell off... would that make the distinction more clear?

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#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel more awake when fasting. I feel sluggish and hungry if I eat breakfast. It's not ridiculous to skip breakfast. How is that idiotic ? I have top health markers for my age and do a variety of different types of physical sports. I think the old adage (still popular among powerlifters and bodybuilders) to eat every 3-4 hours to be completely stupid. We never evolved like that, it's a luxury modernity that this is…

> We never evolved like that, it's a luxury modernity that this is even an option. That's the brainletism I was referring to. You could have easily verified your assumption by looking at remaining hunter-gather populations, who serve as a good proxy for you ancestors, and had you done that, you would have discovered that--surprise, surprise-- they don't fast : youtu.be/Ci70YYaVHeQ?t=2807

You're overly confident in your tone and thin on details (and a written link goes further than a YouTube reference).

How in the world is a remaining hunter gatherer population in 2022 a proxy for what happened tens of thousands of years ago. That's an assumption you're expected to justify, first off.

Secondly, how is food abundance being modern a 'brainletism' or whatever you're enjoying repeating as a sort of provocation.

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#119

Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Somewhat. I feel focused and active, but it’s more of a calm balanced feeling.

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We never evolved like that, it's a luxury modernity that this is even an option. That's the brainletism I was referring to. You could have easily verified your assumption by looking at remaining hunter-gather populations, who serve as a good proxy for you ancestors, and had you done that, you would have discovered that--surprise, surprise-- they don't fast : youtu.be/Ci70YYaVHeQ?t=2807

You're overly confident in your tone and thin on details (and a written link goes further than a YouTube reference). How in the world is a remaining hunter gatherer population in 2022 a proxy for what happened tens of thousands of years ago. That's an assumption you're expected to justify, first off. Secondly, how is food abundance being modern a 'brainletism' or whatever you're enjoying repeating as a sort of provoc…

> and a written link goes further than a YouTube reference

That's an interview with Herman Pontzer, PhD, the lead author of the most import papers published to date studying the energy expenditure of the Hadza of Tanzania, one of the few remaining hunter-gather populations. By all means, keep believing that your ancestors subsisted off of 100% Woolly Mammoth meat in between days of starvation, if it makes you happy.

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