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Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by be5invis »

Bankq wrote: post #15
Bankq wrote: post #12

As a Chinese programmer: Please stop talking about it on HN. Save HN for us............. EDIT:as being misunderstood I claim that I hate GFW as much as I love freedom and decent programs.

[NEW]I just ask my friends in China to visit the site and it turns out to be ok. Don't know how and when it recovered. Another funny story is python.org is blocked for a long time. Somebody say it is the version number 2.6.4; Somebody claim it's because GAE(could be set up as proxy); The other part believe it's because python.com...... We don't know which is the truth or neither of them.

Python.org is blocked BEFORE 2.6.4 releases. If you know Chinese you can read this article: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/8332828/

The date blocking detected is 15th Oct, however, v2.6.4 is released on 25th Oct.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by be5invis »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #10
charliesome wrote: post #2

I was in China just over two years ago and I can confirm just how insane the GFW is. Every other Google search wouldn't load, sometimes Wikipedia articles (China, Tiananmen Square, etc.) would appear to start loading slowly (the top parts of the page would show) before suddenly cutting off and showing 'Connection Reset'. I don't know how that worked because usually browsers just show you a half page if the connection…

It's because they're manually checking the page as it loads. Once it's okay'ed, it'll load instantly the next time. Seriously.

Page content detection currently is ONLY targeted to Wikipedia. It checks article content and block it when a "keyword" detected.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by billpatrianakos »

mengxy wrote: post #19

I am a Chinese programmer and I have to say, we cannot jump the conclusions that nodejs.org is blocked in China at this period. Only quite few persons cannot open the site. We shouldn't be that sensitive and lead the topic even more political. GFW is really INSANE, but this is not the right place to fuck it.

I'm very sorry but some of what you said was lost on me as there was a little bit of broken English in there. If I understand correctly, are you trying to say that nodejs.org isn't being locked and that only a few people are having this issue? And are you also trying to say that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions and this isn't a political issue and that while the GFW is ridiculous this isn't the place for a political discussion? I'm just trying to understand because I honestly didn't completely understand your comment.

I disagree and think this is a perfect time to talk about the politics of it even if this is a false alarm and an isolated issue. Does the GWF really help China politically? Don't the Chinese citizens know that information is being kept from them.

I think just knowing that your government is keeping information from you is enough to make a person dislike and distrust their government. At the same time I wonder if I'd feel the same if I grew up with censorship. It's one thing to have freedom then have someone take it away and it's another to not even know what you're missing out on. If the Chinese people don't know that there's a whole wealth of information they cannot access then they probably don't care. But if they once had full access and now it's gone I'd imagine they would be very angry about it.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by wahnfrieden »

be5invis wrote: post #21
Bankq wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[NEW]I just ask my friends in China to visit the site and it turns out to be ok. Don't know how and when it recovered. Another funny story is python.org is blocked for a long time. Somebody say it is the version number 2.6.4; Somebody claim it's because GAE(could be set up as proxy); The other part believe it's because python.com...... We don't know which is the truth or neither of them.

Python.org is blocked BEFORE 2.6.4 releases. If you know Chinese you can read this article: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/8332828/ The date blocking detected is 15th Oct, however, v2.6.4 is released on 25th Oct.

Are you sure 2.6.4 was not mentioned at all on the site before its release? Django 1.4 is not out yet but there's quite a lot about it on their site, for instance.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by be5invis »

be5invis wrote: post #21
Bankq wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[NEW]I just ask my friends in China to visit the site and it turns out to be ok. Don't know how and when it recovered. Another funny story is python.org is blocked for a long time. Somebody say it is the version number 2.6.4; Somebody claim it's because GAE(could be set up as proxy); The other part believe it's because python.com...... We don't know which is the truth or neither of them.

Python.org is blocked BEFORE 2.6.4 releases. If you know Chinese you can read this article: http://www.douban.com/group/topic/8332828/ The date blocking detected is 15th Oct, however, v2.6.4 is released on 25th Oct.

I'm sure. Python.org/download does not contain any information about future releases.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by be5invis »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #23
mengxy wrote: post #19

I am a Chinese programmer and I have to say, we cannot jump the conclusions that nodejs.org is blocked in China at this period. Only quite few persons cannot open the site. We shouldn't be that sensitive and lead the topic even more political. GFW is really INSANE, but this is not the right place to fuck it.

I'm very sorry but some of what you said was lost on me as there was a little bit of broken English in there. If I understand correctly, are you trying to say that nodejs.org isn't being locked and that only a few people are having this issue? And are you also trying to say that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions and this isn't a political issue and that while the GFW is ridiculous this isn't the place for a poli…

An interesting fact is that the way most Chinese people knows that they are information-managed is from "inside". "Lords" of Weibo (a soceity site) have controlled almost ALL WEIBO USERS. And they don't like the gov though most of them are beneficiaries of the gov, or the "system" they called.

Nodejs.org is NOT blocked on both China Telecom and China Unicom's 3G network. I've tested.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by be5invis »

mengxy wrote: post #19

I am a Chinese programmer and I have to say, we cannot jump the conclusions that nodejs.org is blocked in China at this period. Only quite few persons cannot open the site. We shouldn't be that sensitive and lead the topic even more political. GFW is really INSANE, but this is not the right place to fuck it.

A BETTER VERSION:

I am a Chinese programmer and I have to say, we cannot determine whether nodejs.org is blocked in China at this period. Only quite few persons cannot access this site. We shouldn't be that sensitive and lead the topic even more political.

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by gburt »

randallsquared wrote: post #16
Bankq wrote: post #12

As a Chinese programmer: Please stop talking about it on HN. Save HN for us............. EDIT:as being misunderstood I claim that I hate GFW as much as I love freedom and decent programs.

If enough people stop talking about it in enough places, then the govt will have successfully edited the internet at large. Potential tragedy of the commons, limited mainly by outrage.

How is this a tragedy of the commons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by sandal »

mengxy wrote: post #19

I am a Chinese programmer and I have to say, we cannot jump the conclusions that nodejs.org is blocked in China at this period. Only quite few persons cannot open the site. We shouldn't be that sensitive and lead the topic even more political. GFW is really INSANE, but this is not the right place to fuck it.

I am from the US, currently visiting China. I've confirmed that I'm able to access nodejs.org without my VPN. However, it's been my experience here that the system is aggressive about false-positives in general and will result in intermittent access to various websites for seemingly arbitrary reasons.

I'm not sure whether this happens at a regional level or across the entire country, but right now it's loading fine in Wuhan :)

Re: Node.js 0.6.4 was blocked in China

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Post by mmaunder »

Tiananmen Square protests:

Year: 89

Date: 6/4

Both 89 and 64 are blocked by the GFW.

Censorship of recent history this blatant seems less like historical negationism and more like the statement: "Speak of this event and face severe punishment."

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