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Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

#21
We're an emotionally obsessed culture. You see this in management culture too. Everything is thought to hang on people having the right attitude and the right emotional state.

I suspect that on a large scale these emotional states don't make much difference to anything (although of course they're very important on the level of individual people).

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

#22
It's like the caricature roles in a football team.

Offense is optimists, they run to good shooting positions in case the ball comes there. Most of their running is in vain, yet they have to do it every time. They get praise if they make a goal, and if the opponent scores, it doesn't make a difference to them personally or affect their career.

Defense is pessimists, they try to prevent the opponent from scoring. They for example have to sometimes commit a tactical fault in order to prevent the opponent from getting to a dangerous position where they could score a goal. They have to guard opponent offense players, even if the ball never comes near. They are criticized if the opponent makes a goal and they don't get credit for their team's offense scoring goals.

So, one thinks a good thing might happen and tries to seize the opportunity. The other one thinks a bad thing might happen and tries to make sure it is prevented. Both are estimating an uncertain future and a lot of their work goes to waste - but only in hindsight.

Both are needed for a team to win the championships.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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Conversely optimism can waste resources on unworkable progress which could have been applied to workable progress. Reality is way more nuanced than single perspectives.

That's survivorship bias right there. We mostly hear of successful stories, where grinding, blood and tears paid off and have an amazing story to tell. For each one of those there are countless others that didn't work out because the conditions were not there and there is no pride/gain in sharing that to the same extent.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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Just the opposite, I see empathetic, gushing, ridiculous cotton candy optimisim all over places like LinkedIn and the corporate world. Everybody Smile! There isn't nearly enough contention, questioning, satire (notice how SNL never really goes for that) etc.. Marc Benioff spends the entirety of his time virtue signalling about how he is saving LGBT refugees from this or that, while superficially that's nice, it's ult…

>Marc Benioff spends the entirety of his time virtue signalling about how he is saving LGBT refugees from this or that, while superficially that's nice, it's ultra narcissistic PR and self aggrandization to use those people as tools for corporate branding. Nobody calls him out.

I don't think this sort of cynicism about LGBT rights activism is helpful. If we want to make progress in this area, we need support from all sectors of society. That definitely includes people who aren't saints and who don't act from wholly disinterested and pure motives. Whatever his motives (and I can't read his mind – can you?), Marc Benioff did something substantial to support LGBT rights when many other CEOs did not.

There's no objective content to the accusation of "virtue signalling". It's a zero-effort means of objecting to whatever kind of activism someone doesn't like. Instead of making a substantive criticism of the activism itself, just jump to uncharitable conclusions about the person's inner motivations.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

#25
Optimism and Pessimism are viewed very differently in different Countries (Germany vs USA) and even Regions (Silicon Valley vs idk Utah).

Apart from that I think the article is mostly wrong. To make progress you need agency and self-confidence. The effects of Optimism and Pessimism are very context-dependent.

Just one example: A very driven and confident pessimist might be much more motivated to find a solution for Climate Change, because he knows for sure otherwise Earth is Doomed.

While a very driven and confident optimist in Politics might reduce Carbon Tax, because he knows for sure that Technology Companies will find solutions for Climate Change and they'll find it faster if they have more money.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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post #4

Conversely optimism can waste resources on unworkable progress which could have been applied to workable progress. Reality is way more nuanced than single perspectives.

This doesn't negate the value of optimism though, which is what this article is about.

Yes, there's a price to pay for optimism, but the alternative is much more costlier - I think this is the premise of this article.

> Reality is way more nuanced than single perspectives.

That's a truism, I believe.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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post #24

Just the opposite, I see empathetic, gushing, ridiculous cotton candy optimisim all over places like LinkedIn and the corporate world. Everybody Smile! There isn't nearly enough contention, questioning, satire (notice how SNL never really goes for that) etc.. Marc Benioff spends the entirety of his time virtue signalling about how he is saving LGBT refugees from this or that, while superficially that's nice, it's ult…

>Marc Benioff spends the entirety of his time virtue signalling about how he is saving LGBT refugees from this or that, while superficially that's nice, it's ultra narcissistic PR and self aggrandization to use those people as tools for corporate branding. Nobody calls him out. I don't think this sort of cynicism about LGBT rights activism is helpful. If we want to make progress in this area, we need support from all…

Why do we want that? We're well past the point of diminishing returns on that particular obsession.

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

#29

This is why I worry about the doomerism, especially by young people, I see online so often. Thankfully, stepping out of the bubbles that are Twitter and Reddit, it's not nearly as common to see in the real world. Just one more reason not to (unproductively) use these platforms.

But muh perfectly predictable catastrophe a moderately intelligent twelve year old could see coming and that we could avoid by just not doing that, that we're blundering into because our short-term and long-term incentives are not well aligned, that will destroy the world without a shadow of a doubt!

Re: Pessimism is a barrier to progress

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Marc Benioff spends the entirety of his time virtue signalling about how he is saving LGBT refugees from this or that, while superficially that's nice, it's ultra narcissistic PR and self aggrandization to use those people as tools for corporate branding. Nobody calls him out. I don't think this sort of cynicism about LGBT rights activism is helpful. If we want to make progress in this area, we need support from all…

Why do we want that? We're well past the point of diminishing returns on that particular obsession.

You'll have to expand on that. I am not sure exactly what you think we don't want.
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