Chess.com recently (coincidently just before this drama happened) bought out Magnus Carlsen's group of companies https://chess24.com/en/read/news/play-magnus-group-receives-... They are going to be defending 100% their investment.
The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
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Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#282This report provides a detailed background of Hans' potential cheating, and detailed breakdowns of certain aspects of chess.com's cheat-detection methodology, including previously unknown (or little known) methods such as window focus change event monitoring and post-focus-change move analysis.[1] The report also reveals Niemann's engine move correlations alongside over two dozen chess Grandmasters who have admitted…
It's chess, it's not heart surgery exams. The cheating sucks, but anti-cheat measures are infinitely worse. There is no better way to suck the fun out of something than demanding you submit to a patdown and metal scan or a rootkit before you can participate.
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#283This report provides a detailed background of Hans' potential cheating, and detailed breakdowns of certain aspects of chess.com's cheat-detection methodology, including previously unknown (or little known) methods such as window focus change event monitoring and post-focus-change move analysis.[1] The report also reveals Niemann's engine move correlations alongside over two dozen chess Grandmasters who have admitted…
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those have been common for decades and are pretty much the lowest bar for detection.
Using computer vision on the video stream (eg via a capture card) and then sending valid mouse and keyboard inputs most definitely has not been around for decades. It's a mechanism to cheat that has zero binaries running on the host computer.
(Very similar to how you might detect chess cheaters, actually.)
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#285Chess.com recently (coincidently just before this drama happened) bought out Magnus Carlsen's group of companies https://chess24.com/en/read/news/play-magnus-group-receives-... They are going to be defending 100% their investment.
Could you please elaborate? I personally can't see how the acquisition and cheating are connected
Magnus Carlsen has put his reputation on the line by calling out Hans Niemann for cheating. Many people have criticised him for doing saying there is not enough evidence.
Chess.com has an interest in defending Magnus's brand since they are buying his companies.
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess I’m not as cynical. I picked up chess again when I was deployed (I was on the chess team in high school) and have been closely following this drama, and my sense is that perhaps we all admit that online chess is dead, but a return to analog chess is possible and, perhaps, preferable. I know this begs the question of defeating cheats in irl play, but shouldn’t that be an easier problem to solve?
I would be surprised of over-the-board cheating was viable in the long term. Seems like it should be relatively easy to stamp out provided there's a will to do so.
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#287This report provides a detailed background of Hans' potential cheating, and detailed breakdowns of certain aspects of chess.com's cheat-detection methodology, including previously unknown (or little known) methods such as window focus change event monitoring and post-focus-change move analysis.[1] The report also reveals Niemann's engine move correlations alongside over two dozen chess Grandmasters who have admitted…
if you have ADHD you are naturally a cheater! or if you have some important reason to check your email periodically.
same applies to online tests of various sorts.
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#288In releasing this report, Chess.com appears to violate their promise of confidentiality expressed in Exhibit C: > As we mentioned earlier, we have made no public statements regarding the reasons for your account closure or our findings, and anything that happens in this conversation will remain confidential. But they did at least hide the player identity, so we only know it's a FIDE top 100 nearly-2700 player. I'm sl…
>... Chess.com appears to violate their promise of confidentiality...
I think they believe that Nieman bringing his alleged cheating at Chess.com into the public arena, and saying things about it that Chess.com believe are not true, broke the agreeement between them, and gave Chess.com the right to respond
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#289In releasing this report, Chess.com appears to violate their promise of confidentiality expressed in Exhibit C: > As we mentioned earlier, we have made no public statements regarding the reasons for your account closure or our findings, and anything that happens in this conversation will remain confidential. But they did at least hide the player identity, so we only know it's a FIDE top 100 nearly-2700 player. I'm sl…
Edit: the comment above is apparently about a different, unidentified, player, not Nieman >... Chess.com appears to violate their promise of confidentiality... I think they believe that Nieman bringing his alleged cheating at Chess.com into the public arena, and saying things about it that Chess.com believe are not true, broke the agreeement between them, and gave Chess.com the right to respond
Re: The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edit: the comment above is apparently about a different, unidentified, player, not Nieman >... Chess.com appears to violate their promise of confidentiality... I think they believe that Nieman bringing his alleged cheating at Chess.com into the public arena, and saying things about it that Chess.com believe are not true, broke the agreeement between them, and gave Chess.com the right to respond
Exhibit C is about another unidentified player, not Nieman...